What's the point of back to arrangement?

So, back to arrangement, back to automation... who uses that? For what? When would you make a change to something and not want to hear it immediately. Ableton has decided to throw an additional step in your way. Makes no sense to me since all you ever do is click back to arrangement. What slays me is that the arrangement timeline will play under the session clips if you have the play head over clips. But then when you go to arrangement view the timeline doesn't play until you click "back to arrangement." Whaaaaaaat where they thinking???

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dukeeastwood 6 months ago | 0 comments

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  • Near Earth Object
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    I'll tell you what they were thinking :) Just because you don't see the use of it in your workflow does not mean it is a bad idea. 

    Live excells in live performance; since this can be done by playing clips in session view, back-to-arrangement button will be activated. The reason for that is that you can play around with combinations, change knobs and settings, etc WITHOUT messing up your original arrangement. One click, and Live goes back to the arrangement.

    If this function wasn't there, it would mean that you could never just play around with clips or play with fx/settings, because it would immediately mess up your arrangement permanently. 

    Besides, it is ONLY activated if you change something. You can easily change some of the settings too, to make sure automation etc. is not recorded/overwritten.

    I suggest reading the manual a bit more, and also experiment with your way of working. Because eventually you will realise why it works this way, and why it is a useful function.  If not, maybe try a different DAW that only has an arrangement.

     

     

     

     

    6 months ago | 1 comment
  • dukeeastwood
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    Im starting to understand now, Ableton live lacks as a DAW so that it can cater to knuckheads who "play" live and improvise

    6 months ago | 1 comment
  • [daw] Ableton staff
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    Hi Duke, 

    Please refrain from generalizing statements, potentially insulting other user groups. 

    The fact that a software called Ableton Live also tries to offer a convenient workflow for people playing live should not be too much of a surprise.

    After all, Live was originally released as a live performance software and turned into a fully functional DAW some versions later.

    While the concept of session and arrangement view might be confusing to some, especially when you're coming from a classic "left to right" kind of DAW, it offers many possibilities that regular DAWs are "lacking". 

    I recommend getting into it a bit more, but if you find, that Live just isn't for you, this is fine as well. 

    Best, 

    daw

    6 months ago | 0 comments
  • dukeeastwood
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    I wouldn't call it fully functional ...

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  • [daw] Ableton staff
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    Any feature in particular you are missing?

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  • [daw] Ableton staff
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    Thanks for that list, I think it is worth pointing out, that answers is a place, where users are supposed to help other users. 

    It seems though, that most of your questions go in the direction of "Why did Ableton do XY this way?", which is a tough question for other users to answer. 

    To be honest, even for us these questions are often hard to answer, as a piece of software is something that develops over years, sometimes decades. So every once in a while we ask ourselves similar questions and the only answer we can find is "because someone did it like this back then". 

    We are always trying to rethink the way our software works, but it is a fine line to change something on a fundamental level, without making it too hard for long term users to adapt. 

    Many features that might seem weird to you, are features that many users rely on for years, so change doesn't come that easily. 

    Thank you anyway for your feedback, it is always interesting to get perspectives from fresh users. 

    Best, 

    daw

    6 months ago | 0 comments

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