Sustain pedal sustains other tracks!

When  recording into a midi track, midi notes on other tracks sustain even though they aren't armed. I restarted my system hoping it would go away but it didn't. Any ideas?

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mriley 2 years ago | 1 comment

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  • beatmax
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    Same issue here...

    2 months ago | 0 comments
  • tcpMoniker
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    Can you disable the MIDI in on the other tracks when recording the track where you want to use the sustain pedal? That might just help. Since your aim is recording, should you need them again, just enable MIDI in again, the sustain info should be on the recorded track only.

    2 months ago | 0 comments
  • beatmax
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    That´s what I already do all the time...

    But this is an really nasty workflow....  especially when I`m using PUSH

    2 months ago | 0 comments
  • tcpMoniker
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    So, even when other tracks should not be receiving MIDI, the sustain still affects them? Are they VSTs or native instruments?

    2 months ago | 0 comments
  • mriley
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    No I'm working with EastWest products.

    2 months ago | 0 comments
  • tcpMoniker
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    In theory, the VSTs shouldn't get MIDI outside the host, but that's a possibility that springs to mind, that those VSTs could be listening to MIDI outside, I dunno if that's even possible, but if the host is not routing MIDI, and they still respond to a MIDI message like the sustain pedal, I'd think they have a system, probably related to the mappings those library come with, that's somehow getting that info.

    Have you tried posting on the forums to see if someone from Ableton sorts it out?

    2 months ago | 0 comments
  • mriley
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    I filed a bug report in 2013 and Ableton support said

    "Sorry to hear about your issues when recording MIDI in Live.

    The reported behaviour has been filed as a bug with us, and our developers will look further into this.

    Please understand that we can never promise a timeline for such fixes, since development priorities are often subject to change. Of course we tagged your case accordingly and will be back in touch once we have more information or hopefully a fix for this bug.

    As a small appeasment from our side I just assigned you a USD 20,- coupon to your account, which you could for example use to upgrade to Live 9 Suite."

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  • tcpMoniker
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    Another thing that may be happening is the sustain is being recorded as Omni, I don't know if that's even possible. If a MIDI clip records something as Omni, maybe that'd create issues. Other than that, I have no idea. I do have a sustain pedal, may I ask if it is directly connected to Live or does it connect to a keyboard? I can try and see if I have the same issue.

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  • mriley
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    Ableton Live does not have the ability to specify whether sustain (cc#64) is omni or not.

    Also it is impossible to connect a sustain pedal directly to Live because it is a software application. So yes the you would need to connect a pedal directly to your keyboard. You should see a place to plug it in on the back. You would also need to connect your keyboard to your computer. Also make sure your computer is on.

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  • tcpMoniker
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    I thought of USB pedals. Then I have the same setup as you, I haven't delved much into it, but on my end, when I tried it all, no sustain issues.

    2 months ago | 0 comments
  • beatmax
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    To answer some questions above:

    Native instruments... no vst.
    When i switch of the midi input for the track it works properly.

    The issue is more frequent on short sequences.
    I'm using 2 differnt pedals... 1 on digital piano, and one on PUSH.... Same issue!

    How to reproduce the issue...
    Track 1:
    4 Bars Piano Background with sustained parts..

    Track 2:
    Piano, Bass, etc

    Track 1 constantly looping... Track 2 recording with sustain pedal, or even playing without recording!

    pushing the sustain pedal sometimes mutes or sustains the notes on track 1.

    Ableton support told me the issue is known and will be adressed in the future but they don't know exactly when.

    Only solution: Disable Midi input for this track...

    .... But I'm using PUSH and switching Midi on and off all the time is pretty annoying!


    The big question is, if the problem occurs for everyone in live9?
    If not, why?

    2 months ago | 0 comments

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