Recording clip w/out temp, then setting live set tempo to clip

Hi all,

Is there a way to record a clip into live without setting a master tempo, then have live determine the tempo of the clip, then set the live set to the tempo of that clip?

 

IE:

I want to record a guitar riff, but am having trouble finding the exact tempo using the live metronome.

Can I just record the riff, the have live (through a warp marker function I assume) determine the exact tempo of the clip?

Then can I set the whole set to that tempo without warping the clip?

 

Thanks!

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achuvi 3 years ago | 0 comments

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  • [efl] Ableton staff
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  • rrrbrt
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    http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device/3257/loopo

    for recording midi clips free and on the fly and set LIVE's tempo after recording is done.

    1 year ago | 0 comments
  • stephenhandley
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    Logic has a rad thing where you can select a loop, then select the number of bars you want that clip to take up and then match the tempo of the project or that section to the clip. I can't find anything similar in Ableton and so what I do is the following:

    1. get the clip looping how i want it regardless of project tempo. 

    2. crop the clip to that loop

    3. add loop marker at the end of the loop

    3. change the clip length to some even number of bars I want it ultimately to be at in its natural tempo (after doing that, the audio will initially be less or more than that number of bars depending on whether it is faster or slower than the initial project tempo)

    4a. drag the loop marker to the end of the last bar.

    4b.  Hold down cmd (so you get fine rather than coarse adjustment) and drag up or down on the clip's tempo until the loop marker is at the end of the last bar.

    5. Change the project tempo to whatever the clip tempo ends up at. 

    Now the clip loops cleanly at its natural tempo. 

     

    11 months ago | 0 comments
  • frankmoon
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    The above solutions involve fiddling with the clip after it's recorded, when you just need to get on and perform. I'm assuming you're working with audio...

    Here's my workaround, basically I use the looper to record the first clip, and the looper instrument has a function that can set the tempo based on the first phrase.

    1. Create an audio track, and load the Looper effect on this track. You will record your first clip into the looper and use it to set the tempo of the whole set.

    2. In the Looper, make these settings:

    a) Set 'Record' to a length for your first loop (eg. 4 bars) and set 'Then' to PLAY rather than '+'.

    b) Set Song Control to 'Start song'

    c) Set Tempo control to 'Set & Follow song tempo'

    d) Set quantisation to 'Global'

    e) Then preferably midi map the looper's multi-purpose transport button (the large one that toggles between record-play-overdub) to a footswitch. (If you don't have a footswitch then key map it but you'll have to play with one hand while you hit record and again while you set the end of the loop).

    3. Create a few more audio tracks, you can use these tracks to record straight into the clips once the tempo has been set by your first looper phrase. You may want to put the same EQ/FX here as you have on your input track if you plan to record more directly into empty clips and keep the same sound.

    4. Set global quantise to whatever - 1 Bar is useful, and turn the metronome off.

    5. Make sure you hit Stop on the transport twice to make sure you're at bar 1.1.1.

    6. Hit record on the Looper (with your mapped footswitch) and simultaneously play. When you reach the end of your phrase, hit the footswitch again and the phrase will loop. You can keep hitting the footswitch to add more layers in the loop at this stage if needed.

    7. You can then use the "Drag me!" button on the Looper to drag this loop into an empty clip on your next audio track. Press play on this clip when you're in the last bar of the loop (if you set global quantise to 1 bar), and stop the looper also within this bar. (Turn on the metronome, and you'll see the looper should have correctly set the tempo, based on how many bars you told it you were going to play). 

    You can now record more clips directly on your next lot of audio tracks and they will all be in sync. 

    In my template I have several input tracks (mic, guitar, violin etc) in a group, and a separate audio track with the Looper is listening to this group output, Pre FX, so any instrument I choose to start the jam with will go via the looper. (Set all the Monitors to IN on these tracks).

    You can also have several looper tracks in sync with this first one, which is great. Set all Looper audio tracks Monitor's to IN, and in the extra Loopers themselves set Input>Output to 'Never' - this means you won't hear the Looper until it finishes recording - so you don't get feedback on mics and don't hear a doubled input signal on the first pass. You should start recording with a main looper (Song Control set to 'Start song') and the subsequent loopers don't need to be given song control, but can be set to record 'x bars' to give you freedom. Or, if you tell them all to start playback or overdub after a certain number of bars, you can cut out the need to 'punch out' recording. For a good demo of this setup search youtube for Live looping by Josh Noisemaker.

    Because with multiple tracks of loopers you can't see at once what all the loopers are doing, going straight into clips gives you more visual control. 

    It's quite involved but once saved as a template your next jam is up in no time.

    All the best

    F

     

     

    6 months ago | 0 comments
  • scarydoor
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    I'd been searching for this too. I figured it out!

     

    1. record your playing, presumably with no metronome.

    2. open up the clip

    3. in the sample options for the clip, make sure it's set to 'master'

    4. double click the warp marker for where audio should be on beat 1, and beat 5 (the first beat of the second bar - assuming you're working on a 4 bar section of audio)

    5. drag the warp marker for beat 5 to sit on beat 5 of the grid (first beat of the second bar).

     

    Now, on playback, the tempo will adjust itself when between the beats 1 - 5 of the clip you selected.

    1 month ago | 0 comments

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