newbie inquiry: defaults, presets, save sample.... which is which?

hello everyone

i am new to live and although i'm reading the manual (for the third time now actually... great manual!) i am having difficulty get up to speed on some basic concepts. i very much appreciate any advice the community can provide!

at the moment i am getting rather confused sorting out the distinctions involved with saving certain aspects of live's essential clip elements: defaults, presets and samples-save.

there are two scenarios i would like to ask about, please forgive that this entry is quite long!

part 1: is it a "preset"? is it a "default"? and what's that clip "save" button

i know that saving a live clip can retain lots of information about the devices, envelope settings and many other aspects of the clip -- that much, i think i am clear on.

but i'm not sure that the SAVE button does simply that alone -- while experimenting, i think i inadvertently created a clip default (although how i did that i am not sure) because the next time i used the same factory clip from the library, it seemed that i had overwritten its device chain somehow (which was something i had not wished to do).

i must have created a "preset" or a "default" i guess (are those even the same thing? or not? ...and did i mention that i'm confused? ;->  ) 

in any case i was able to finally locate the new version of the clip in either a user default or preset folder and get rid of it which returned things to normal. big exhale.

do i understand correctly that in order to save a clip i have tweeked as something unique (retaining the properties of the clip i started with), but NOT overwrite a factory default, that it is better to simply drag my "improved" version into the library, but NOT click that "save" button?

(...and then there's the little "disk icon" in the upper right corner in the clip title bar dangerously close to the hot-swap icon... not sure what that sucker does, but now i'm too scared to find out!)

part 2: save-as for samples?

i'm imagining that as i do more recording i will be dropping warp markers into my newly-recorded samples. and i can begin to see that i might like to give my samples a basic "starter set" of warp markers that i would like them to retain, and then perhaps create copies of the sample that expand upon them.

i have read in the manual that warp markers are retained in the set, which is fine. but is there any way to create, for example, 3 or 4 alternate versions of the sample itself each of which might have more and more warp markers (and more different and more different settings of them)?

it's entirely possible that i'm missing the point about how to use audio clips effectively -- but if i want these sample variations which i just described to be available to me at any time, then it would clearly be better for me not to have to grab them out of the sets that hold them -- i'd be better off if they were in my user library, yes?

the sample box in the CLIP VIEW window doesn't offer a "save-as" button. my hunch is there's a good reason for that, and my impression is that there's something basic about this that i'm just not understanding correctly.

i'm sure that's enough questions for now. thanks to everyone who has taken the time to read through all of this, and can perhaps shed some light on these questions.

all the best to everyone for 2017 (...we're sure going to need some "best"!)

O99

3 followers

otalgia99 10 months ago | 0 comments

2 answers

  • Near Earth Object
    contribution
    818 answers
    829 votes received
    1 vote

    Can't answer all your questions. But to get started:
    Part 1: the 'save' function you mention. You mean the save button in the clip editor, right? That is for saving the properties of a clip. Example: you load a clip (with a certain file name) and change stuff, like warp markers. Hitting the save button means Live creaties a small info file with the same name as the clip. So next time you open that clip, Live also reads the info file and knows the settings that go with it. Removing that info file means the clip will go back to the original settings. Those info files are sometimes hidden, so you might not see it. You can change that in your computer's settings.

    All of this is only useful if you want to change a clip for every project you load it into. Good example would be: when warping complete tracks to correct the timing (for a dj set), you don't want to do it again when you load it into a different project. So you use the save function.
    But if you use stuff from your library and only change the clip for that specific project, you don't need to save it in the clip editor. All you have to do is save the whole project, and the clip will retail its specific settings for the project it is in, but not change the original in the library.

    So if you load a clip into a project and want to change warp settings/markers, you can do that. You can also copy that same clip inside the project and give it different warp settings. Doesn't matter: as long as you save the project. So making several variations on the same clip can be done easily.

    Hope this helps you on your way!

    10 months ago | 0 comments
  • otalgia99
    contribution
    7 answers
    7 votes received
    1 vote

    greetings!

    first of all, thank you for taking the trouble to read such a long question and answer -- i very much appreciate it.

    >So if you load a clip into a project and want to change warp settings/markers, you can do that. You can also copy that same clip inside the project and give it different warp settings. Doesn't matter: as long as you save the project.<

    thank you, this is great. i would like to confirm two impressions:

    if i wish to copy the clip and change warp markers the way you suggest (or change envelope settings, transpose... anything!) then am i correct in thinking that it might perhaps be helpful to rename the copied clip (the one with the changes), so that i may distinguish the original from the altered one in the project?

    also: these two (or... more!) clips will continue to be retained within that project unless i copy them into some other location in the user library, correct? doing so would then make the clips more conveniently available to any project. is this also correct?

    again, thank you so much again for the willingness to help. i have much to learn!

    best regards,

    O99

    10 months ago | 0 comments

You need to be logged in, have a Live license, and have a username set in your account to be able to answer questions.

Answers is a new product and we'd like to hear your wishes, problems or ideas.