Recording and looping guitar live without metronome

Hello Ableton community,

 this is how I have set up Ableton so I'd be able to record and loop my guitar live:

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As you can see I run Amplitube in one track and then have three tracks receive their signal from the Amplitube track so I can record different loops and play them at the same time. I have mapped everything to my Behringer FCB1010. Everything works fine if I use a metronome to count me in, but we are a live Jazz Punk band, so we don't really want to play to a metronome live and this is where the problem lies.

I use "Count-In: None" to start the loop when I press the button and quantisation is set to 1/32 which basically stops the loop the instant I am pressing it. The first loop works fine as well, but as soon as the second loop comes in everything goes out of order.

The problem is that the first loop doesn't set the length for the following loops, so if I don't work with a metronome, and thus the grid, the loops will be out of sync. I have tried switching the "Count-In: 1 bar" and quantisation to 1/16 or 1/8 and all of it doesn't work reliably.

Does anyone have an idea how to work around that? A function that copies the length of the first loop from one track to another and empties the content (the waveform)? I don't think that is possible. I could use the Ableton looper, yes, but I have started using Ableton to be able to adjust the volume and effects of the loops individually after recording them and using the looper is almost like having the Boss Rc-30 or similar.

 

 

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Soennichsen 1 year ago | 0 comments

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  • Soennichsen
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    Anyone?

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  • laidlaw
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    Not sure if I understand your issue in full but here goes...

    If you have a multi-out audio interface you could create an audio track with a metronome and set the Audio Ouput to say "Channel 3 or 4" and have your Guitar go out of Channels 1 & 2. Connected to your audio interface you set up an in-ear monitor system for you (or your entire band if they all get the compatible in-ears to the base station) to Channel 3/4. That way only you hear the click and not the audience. This technique can also replace the traditional 1234 made by a drummer's sticks. It can get expensive but could be the answer you're looking for...

    Another way of having a Metronome is a visual. If you have a MIDI controller with lights you could output an instrument less MIDI track's data to that controller to send MIDI feedback to the instrument. Particularly easy to setup on Launchpad or Beatstep. Or if you have the smarts you could create your own device with an Arduino board with like 4 to 8 lights on it that receive MIDI data from Ableton and Output it as LED signals.

    Is setting quantise to one bar not possible? as pressing record then pressing it immediately after will stop the recording at one bar. I think I understand your question but it definitely took a lot more than thinking than I could be bothered tonight. Will try again tomorrow when I've had more sleep.

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  • Soennichsen
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    Thanks for your answer, but the whole issue is to not use a metronome or a click track live, otherwise there wouldn't be a problem with looping in Ableton.

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  • trickist1
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    Hi there!

    I had to work around this as well.

    Here is what you can do: Map all three loopers with the same CCs, so that they all record, stop, etc in sync. This will keep the loop lengths the same. Now route your system so that only one looper actually receives the signal from amplitube at a given moment. You can also do this by mapping the "arm track" button, I suppose.

    Hope this makes sense!

    Have fun

    1 year ago | 0 comments
  • obscured
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    great hint trickist1 - thanks

    1 year ago | 0 comments

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