Live effects - with no prerecorded audio

Hi there,

I wonder if someone can help?  I'm working on a piece for solo electric cello, and am routing this instrument through Ableton and then out to the main house speakers.

I want to define several effects 'presets' - I'll give an example.  At bar 15, the delay, which is send C from my audio track, should increase from -inf. to -22.0.  The thing is, I want the performance 'live' i.e no click track, so this change in effect can't be at a set point.  I may want such an such an effect to do x at 22seconds in, but equally it could be closer to 30 seconds in.

I hope that makes sense - this isn't a basic 'how do I use automation?' question, all of this is very simple, but it's very simple on existing audio.  I basically want to use automation on audio that doesn't exist yet, so I need pre-defined parameters which can be triggered at any point.

I feel clips are the answer here, my initial solution was to record some audio, then simply turn it down to -inf, but I feel there's a neater solution that I'm missing.

Very grateful for your help

Thanks 

Mike

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MCryne 2 years ago | 0 comments

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  • cheakywillie
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    1. Since you are using a cello I suggest getting that nifty foot controller that will allow you to use clips
    2. Once you have that set up...set up a Audio channel and add any effects that you would like.. i suggest using an audio effect rack as you can add different chains
    3. Select No input in your audio channel
    4. This is where it gets a little tricky....with no audio coming thru arm the channel and record. There is no audio but the dummy clip has been made. In the Clip Editor open up the Envelopes and you will find your effects.
    5. Select which parameter you would like to automate
    6. Now draw in what parameters you want to happen when you launch the clip
    7. You are almost finished...now just make sure your audio is coming in on that channel and you should be ready to go...

     

    I hope this works

    2 years ago | 1 comment
  • madlab
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    Exactly the way to go. Then you will only have to trig the relvant clips containing your automation data with your nifty foot controller...

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  • MCryne
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    Yep - that's the ticket, nailed.  Automation can be launched using clips, even though there's no actual sound.  

    Thanks cheakywillie, that's fantastic

    Best

    Mike

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  • madlab
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    You can also use a short silence sample and unlink the enveloppes to develop them on the length you want. I do that for my dummy clips.

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  • cheakywillie
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  • MCryne
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    Cheakywillie,

    This is where it gets a little tricky....with no audio coming thru arm the channel and record. There is no audio but the dummy clip has been made. In the Clip Editor open up the Envelopes and you will find your effects.

    Yes, I thought this would work too, but once 'no input' has been selected, the options to arm and record have vanished, as the track obviously thinks there won't be anything coming in.  

    Damn.  Any suggestions for a workaround are much appreciated.  This is tricky, so I'm happy to try a few things.  Thanks again for your help :-)

    Mike

     

     

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  • cheakywillie
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    its funny .. i was reading the post at a coffee shop so I was trying to figure it out without the computer.....

    would love to hear what your music sounds like....

     

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  • MCryne
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    its funny .. i was reading the post at a coffee shop so I was trying to figure it out without the computer.....

    would love to hear what your music sounds like..
     

    Sorry Cheakywillie, I forgot I posted here.  As soon as I've got the piece recorded, I'll let you know - fingers crossed it should come out well!

    Thanks again

    Mike

     

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  • MCryne
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    Madlab, cheakywillie

    Thanks guys!  I'll try out your suggestion.  I hadn't thought of the foot controller, that would give complete control of timing to the cellist - great suggestion!  

    Cheakywillie, great pointer on the fx rack, thanks

    really, really helpful guys, thanks a million!

    Mike

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  • cheakywillie
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    Sorry... You do not want to put "no input"...just do not let the channel receive any audio from your external instrument...

    again sorry about the confusion

     

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  • MCryne
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    No problem - I'll try that way :-)  Thanks

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