How to send OSC messages without M4L?

[Rich G.]

I'd like to send OSC messages from Ableton Live Intro running on Windows 10 to an X32 mixer and DMXIS lighting software. I don't have M4L. I found OSCulator, but it looks like that's for Mac only. Is there a way to do this under Windows?

[grrrz]

I would use pure data if you don't mind learning the software a bit but maybe there's a soft like osculator on PC?

[chapelier fou]

I would use pure data if you don't mind learning the software a bit but maybe there's a soft like osculator on PC?

You can’t load PD inside Live, though.
Edit : if it’s only a matter of converting midi to osc that would do the job.

[Angstrom]

sometimes the untrodden path is that way because its less efficient and you will wind up lost in the woods.
I'm not a particular fan of M4L but if you want to connect Live to OSC then its the simplest way in the long run. The initial stages are massively frustrating for a new person, but with all other solutions you may get started quicker only to get stuck when you are months into a system.
EG that day 3 months from now when you are trying to send track names to your iPad (or whatever) and your web searches to "solution for my problem" all come up empty because its a niche solution of 3rd party software duck taped together. At that stage you might wish you started with the ugly but more well traveled path of Max, because there will be support of some form.

[chapelier fou]

As usual, wise advice from @Angstrom.

[[jur]]

As usual, wise advice from @Angstrom.

Definitely

[siliconarc]

not tried this but maybe worth a look

https://cockos.com/oscii-bot/

[grrrz]

I would use pure data if you don't mind learning the software a bit but maybe there's a soft like osculator on PC?

You can’t load PD inside Live, though.
Edit : if it’s only a matter of converting midi to osc that would do the job.

yes I meant as an external software to convert OSC to midi and feed midi to live

[grrrz]

sometimes the untrodden path is that way because its less efficient and you will wind up lost in the woods.
I'm not a particular fan of M4L but if you want to connect Live to OSC then its the simplest way in the long run. The initial stages are massively frustrating for a new person, but with all other solutions you may get started quicker only to get stuck when you are months into a system.
EG that day 3 months from now when you are trying to send track names to your iPad (or whatever) and your web searches to "solution for my problem" all come up empty because its a niche solution of 3rd party software duck taped together. At that stage you might wish you started with the ugly but more well traveled path of Max, because there will be support of some form.

it is the simpler way but pure data will give you the same flexibility as max. if the problem is paying for m4l.

[Angstrom]

sometimes the untrodden path is that way because its less efficient and you will wind up lost in the woods.
I'm not a particular fan of M4L but if you want to connect Live to OSC then its the simplest way in the long run. The initial stages are massively frustrating for a new person, but with all other solutions you may get started quicker only to get stuck when you are months into a system.
EG that day 3 months from now when you are trying to send track names to your iPad (or whatever) and your web searches to "solution for my problem" all come up empty because its a niche solution of 3rd party software duck taped together. At that stage you might wish you started with the ugly but more well traveled path of Max, because there will be support of some form.

it is the simpler way but pure data will give you the same flexibility as max. if the problem is paying for m4l.

can PD make calls on the LOM and LiveAPI then? I wasn't aware of that. .

[chapelier fou]

There was no mention of API calls in this topic.

[Angstrom]

There was no mention of API calls in this topic.

I guess I only resort to OSC when I need complex integration, track names, current amplitudes for sound to light, snapshot recall, etc.

[dougdi]

Edit- never mind, missed the first post.

How about Osculator? Very handy if you use OSC, responsive developer too.

https://osculator.net/

[grrrz]

sometimes the untrodden path is that way because its less efficient and you will wind up lost in the woods.
I'm not a particular fan of M4L but if you want to connect Live to OSC then its the simplest way in the long run. The initial stages are massively frustrating for a new person, but with all other solutions you may get started quicker only to get stuck when you are months into a system.
EG that day 3 months from now when you are trying to send track names to your iPad (or whatever) and your web searches to "solution for my problem" all come up empty because its a niche solution of 3rd party software duck taped together. At that stage you might wish you started with the ugly but more well traveled path of Max, because there will be support of some form.

it is the simpler way but pure data will give you the same flexibility as max. if the problem is paying for m4l.

can PD make calls on the LOM and LiveAPI then? I wasn't aware of that. .

we're talking about using OSC here; Angstrom didn't asked about using the LOM; but yes that is one big benefit of using max for live over simply max or PD.