Finally complaining about LIVE - took me some years

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:41 pm

a. it sounds like crap on a big system. I'm talking warped 320 mp3's. In the mix they sound all muddled. Sounds good on my rokit 5's at the house. punchy and tight but sounds like crap on anything bigger

AND!!!

what the hey with the audio drop outs. I had to ditch Ableton and use Torq which was the original idea but I was like, 'hey, I warped some hip hop. might as well play it.' - doh

2 gigs this week playing Abletons LIVE and it sounds horrible

I love the community and the actual program but it's not really blowing up as far as djing goes

just thought I'd rant - the party last night still blew up super hard

Sony Vaio 1.83 1 gig of ram
Conectiv sounds card @ 128
Live 5.2.2

warping 75 to 90 bpm hip hop on beats mode

curious

Khazul · Post by **Khazul** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:52 pm

Sounds to me like live has got some taste and is trying to tell you something

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:09 pm

Probably be better off running .aiff's or .wav's -- if I remember correctly Ableton doesn't have true mp3 support, it actually turns them them to aiff's and stores them somewhere?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:13 pm

smutek wrote:Probably be better off running .aiff's or .wav's -- if I remember correctly Ableton doesn't have true mp3 support, it actually turns them them to aiff's and stores them somewhere?

I think you're right.

Adonis - it's quite possible that you're mixing to make them sound good on KRKs which sound different than a club system. it's not only about having good monitors, it's understanding how your monitors will color the sound. that's why NS10s are/were so popular, they weren't perfect but people understood how they colored the sound and mixed around that.

Gyu · Post by **Gyu** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:21 pm

This is not my experience, I use 320mp3 to DJ with live.
What warp-mode did you use? I use re-pitch for DJing

Nogi · Post by **Nogi** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:39 pm

Adding a half gig (or more) of RAM (>=1.5GB total seems to be the magic number) and raising the buffer to 256 should take care of your audio dropouts.

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:50 pm

If you're not throwing live instruments into the mix, 512 samples is safe enough to use. 25 ms latency or thereabouts is still next to nothing for playback and mixing.

Club systems often hype the 100-200 Hz range, so if you are playing live, try dipping out that range a bit with EQ on your master bus.

yes, the mp3 are reconverted back to .wav or .aiff, so artifacts can be reintroduced, this is partially because playback of compressed audio takes a lot more system resources/CPU.

Better to use samples ripped from .wavs or .aiffs wherever possible.

Live is trying to tell you something about your musical taste

very drole !

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:16 pm

Thanks for the tips

I think I need to figure out a way to mix around the small speakers for the big big speakers

for dance music 120 - 140 I use repitch
for hip hop 70 - 90 bpm's I use beats mode

and like I said, I put the set together at the house and it sounds pumping but at the club it sounds muddy

I'm also thinking it may be where I'm setting my beat markers. typically on the flattest part of the down beats - curious

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:35 pm

Hm don't you just need a subwoofer to be able to fetch the lowest parts? Could you upload a sample of what sounds muddy so i can try it at one of the in house systems here?

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:46 pm

Yeah bro, ditch the 320's, go straight wav if you can.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:50 pm

thefool wrote:Hm don't you just need a subwoofer to be able to fetch the lowest parts? Could you upload a sample of what sounds muddy so i can try it at one of the in house systems here?

just think about a wash of bass and no kick

sorry, no audio samples

.wav ah? curious

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:53 pm

djadonis206 wrote:
thefool wrote:Hm don't you just need a subwoofer to be able to fetch the lowest parts? Could you upload a sample of what sounds muddy so i can try it at one of the in house systems here?
just think about a wash of bass and no kick

How does it sound when you play the unwarped files? sounds weird yeah..

and of course you don't have any eq'ing or compressing going on (dunno, you could be setting some general things on to get a pumpin' at home.)

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:01 pm

Complex mode will smear your tracks, especially if they are really slammed, it doesn't have the transients to work with. That said, I still play with complex mode as I do harmonic mixing with really crazy bpm variations.

Repitch and 320s should sound fine on most club systems (I've found anyways).

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:05 pm

Just brainstorming ideas here but setting up a dj style eq would probably help - inside LIVE. I'm ordering 7 when I get a new card (I've lost like 3 this year)

anywayz - I'm interested in creating a dj style eq in LIVE - that might help

even though I use the external dj mixer

but to answer your question thefool - no eq or compression

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:06 pm

djadonis206 wrote: but to answer your question thefool - no eq or compression

Stupid question i know.. but had to be asked!