NUO4 OR DJM 800?

avi · Post by **avi** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:14 am

just difference in price?

which one u preffer?

detroitechno · Post by **detroitechno** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:38 am

pioneer has sh!t audio quality... I honestly can't believe system designers install those things in high end clubs. It's like running your audio through a mud puddle...

I think my answer is clear

lerky · Post by **lerky** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:47 pm

i was on the xone 3d but now i am asking the same question

and since i can get the nuo 4 for £500 the answer is clear

decent mixer i can fire clips from
im sold

SubFunk · Post by **SubFunk** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:19 pm

no question,

either allen & heath or ecler.

pioneers are popular, because they are build good and have very agressive advertising, but sonically they are about the worsed.

JohnDP · Post by **JohnDP** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:58 pm

detroitechno wrote:pioneer has sh!t audio quality... I honestly can't believe system designers install those things in high end clubs. It's like running your audio through a mud puddle...

I think my answer is clear

Please stop saying that Pioneer is shit. The DJM800 has the same engine as the DJM1000 which is one of the best mixers there is. Of course purists will refer to Urei's and Bozaks but I heard a club jump from a Rane MP2016 to a DJM1000 and I heard a DEFINITE improvement.

the DJM600 is the past.

the DJM800 is something COMPLETELY different.

p.s. btw I own a Xone 92, but I heard a DJM800.

lerky · Post by **lerky** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:11 pm

im still getting the ecler, half the price of the 800.

Jonny Thrice · Post by **Jonny Thrice** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:23 pm

The DJM-800 is ok, but as a MIDI controller, I think its lacking compared to the NUO4.

The NUO4 has 89 MIDI commands, whereas the DJM is only at 61. Plus, with the NUO4 you get software to reprogram all the buttons/knobs etc for different types of MIDI encoders, different channels and notes etc.

You also have a lot more buttons on the NUO4, to launch clips and stuff. On the DJM-800, you have rotary knobs (the EQ's) and sliders, but not too many buttons.

RePeter · Post by **RePeter** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:58 pm

sorry to bump this back up, but does the nuo4 only have the one midi channel strip (ie. only 4 midi knobs: hi, mid, low and gain).

if it does it seems a bit irrevent how many or few midi messages it can send if you can only actually get your hands on four at a time without having to change banks constantly.

not perfect if your trying to actually mix in ableton, but not a problem if your only using live to add layers over top of decks though.

lerky · Post by **lerky** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:02 pm

go to their site and read up on it
channel 2 and 3 faders and knobs can be used for midi+ the strip in the middle which has push button rotary encoders and buttons I think

dCross · Post by **dCross** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:17 pm

there's 4 pushbutton rotary encoders with additional switches. In addition, the rotary encoders can be assigned to function under three different banks.

Also, all of the knobs and sliders in the two channel strips directly to the left and right of the encoder strip send midi messages. The crossfader too.

The channel strips farthest away from the midi strip just manipulate audio.

NUO4 video by decks.co.uk (scroll down):
http://www.decks.co.uk/products/mixers/ecler/nuo4

RePeter · Post by **RePeter** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:35 pm

ah thanks for the info, that makes it look much more attractive.

DonStone · Post by **DonStone** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:20 am

DJM 800 & DJM 1000 have great sound quality. They are NOT the DJM600. They sound just as good as an A&H 92 or Rane in a club setting.

The DJM has 61 commands but it's 1 command per control.
How many knobs/buttons do I have to push on the Nuo to get all 89 commands? I hate having to push more than 1 button to get a function.

The DJM is missing buttons though. It def. would have been better if they put at least 2 buttons per channel.

If I was to choose, I would def. take the Pioneer over the Ecler. I wouldn't even use the midi on the mixer just use it as a real DJ mixer.

meatfestival · Post by **meatfestival** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:27 am

DJM800 & DJM1000 = audiophile sound quality. especially when you use the digital in/outs. Everything is processed and mixed 100% digitally, at 32-bit 192khz and in/outs are at 24/96.

Jonny Thrice · Post by **Jonny Thrice** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:53 pm

DonStone wrote:DJM 800 & DJM 1000 have great sound quality. They are NOT the DJM600. They sound just as good as an A&H 92 or Rane in a club setting.

The DJM has 61 commands but it's 1 command per control.
How many knobs/buttons do I have to push on the Nuo to get all 89 commands? I hate having to push more than 1 button to get a function.

The DJM is missing buttons though. It def. would have been better if they put at least 2 buttons per channel.

If I was to choose, I would def. take the Pioneer over the Ecler. I wouldn't even use the midi on the mixer just use it as a real DJ mixer.

Well, the middle MIDI strip of the NUO4 has most (72) of the 89 MIDI commands:

4 push buttons

4 rotary encoders

4 push encoders

=12

Then, theres a 3 layout switch, so each of those can have 3 different functions

=36

Then an A/B layout switch, which is mainly used to switch between two decks or channels in your software:

=72

Then, the x-fader, upfaders, EQ's, gain, cue, FX send buttons/knobs on channels 2 and 3 are all MIDI encoders

+17

=89

Now, if youre gonna compare MIDI mixers, then the NUO4 beats the DJM-800 hands down (in terms of MIDI usability).

But as a DJ mixer, then I think the DJM-800 wins. But then again, its more of a competitor to the NUO5...

DonStone · Post by **DonStone** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:36 pm

ugh. too much math. lol

no but seriously having that many functions concentrated around 4 buttons 4 rotaries & 4 push encoders is way too much for me. It would be too much work for me to remember what layout I'm on to function competently.

I use a Behringer BCR2000 right now as my controller and only use the first preset. I don't want to be on the wrong preset in the middle of a set and screw everything up.

I'm not saying the Pionner is perfect, cause it's not either.
I still need play, stop and loop buttons for each channel.