The meaning of life?

[Android Bishop]

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[knotkranky]

sorry, this is mandatory >

the universe song n vid > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWVshkVF0SY

[Bleep Blop Ima Robot]

the meaning of life, where everything came from blah blah...is probably way to hard for any current mind to comprehend, cuz all these theories usually include an endless cycle, infinite, never ending...so there will always be something more and more after say if anything like that is ever discovered. There probably isnt a meaning to life its just something we created and we are just insanely lucky with evolution and being the perfect distance from the sun, its weird how everything in the universe is formed to a perfect condition, we are just an evolved species on a planet surviving like any other thing that might be in this massive universe, and just one of our processes in life is death. Nothing we can do about it, i welcome that shit tho cuz im really interested to see whats after death, i dont care to much about the meaning of life, to me, its getting to the end of our life cycle...and seeing what happens after that.

[Tone Deft]

you can do that today. kill yourself. now.

the afterlife is a notion derived from people being in denial about mortality or people scaring other people into submission.

[Jan Holm]

The meaning of life = 37

[Bleep Blop Ima Robot]

lol, id like to make it to the end first. but death is serious, its real. not something to think about now for most people, but its something that should be thought about when a lot older before you mind starts depleting away and you just become an old fart on your death bed with only moments to think about...whats going to happen next. But im open to every theory out there about lifes meaning and or death. just like to hear what other people out there might think about this stuff.

[Jan Holm]

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Great - now we'll never know

[Android Bishop]

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Great - now we'll never know

i just slapped it on my post right before it

[gjm]

Again, value judgments are not what I am talking about nor am I interested in them. All I care about is what IS, and what is is the culmination of of a series of cause and effect chains that lead up to the present moment. What meaning or value it has is just some sauce your brain is putting it its experience of that moment, which is a part of the moment too, but it is not representative of the moment.

I would suggest that there is a difference between that which IS (this rock used to be inside a volcano, now its on a mountain side, and that which IS as a result of a value judgement (I am taking this rock and killing this infidel). Both result in a moment that simply is, but one is the result of a value judgement.

All these other things, like instincts and thoughts, and culture and all of that are merely responses to previous moments.

Yes, and all of these I would suggest are the result of value judgements either simple or complex, pre meditated or reflex. Yes, the result of these moments just IS, but the exercise of intention alone for me puts a spanner in the works. The results of choice and then action just ARE, but they are partnered by value systems, which the rock / tree does not have ( as far as I am aware).

It is the evolution of the universe, a constant state of response to previous "states". The reasons why they exist may be complex (i.e. the illusion of making choices is the ability humanity developed to run complex programs to formulate responses to its environment, which ultimately lead to more efficient responses which enhance its survival rates), but ultimately the reason why anything exists in its current state is because everything else has led it up to that point. There's always a reason, a "meaning" if you will, but that reason is just the cause and effect chain. And its always in motion, which means that this present moment is the cause for new effects down the line. If you look at suicide or war or serial killers or shit like that and wonder "how can there be meaning if these things exist?", you are ignoring the series of events that led up to those things occurring and their effect on the universe for the rest of eternity. Everything has a reason, and everything is a reason for something else. If there was no reason (i.e. cause/effect) it wouldnt exist.

I have no problem with the cause and effect chain, its just that I think there are two chains weaving in and out of each other, one being directed by a value system.

In order to make this statement, I take the liberty of assuming ONE thing:
*the universe exists
Ultimately I'm saying that the only truth is what is, the only real "meaning" or "reason" for any given thing is that which accounts for that thing's existence. What is, is. If it is not, then it isn't, is it? I'm comfortable with making that an absolute statement.

Cool, I am happy with that. I just have an out clause that says I make room for the discovery of that which IS that I don't yet know.

As always, just my opinion, someone who finds themselves asking about the meaning of their existence, or 'what should I be doing' or 'it all seems meaningless or pointless', should find a purpose and go for it. Stick their necks out, break out of the shallow tidal flow that sweeps them along (if thats what they are feeling). Its a good way to find meaning for the moments, but they need to just accept that in the end, it will all be pointless, and there is a massive possibility that no one will remember you or even care that you existed. Find a way to live now, savour the moment, expand your mind (through what ever means) create, experience, laugh, cry, repeat as many times as you can until 'shit happens' and its all over rover.

[crumhorn]

The whole is pervaded with the smell of turpentine.

[heavensdaw]

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[bodhi71]

The meaning of life = 37

Why 37?

[dcease]

The meaning of life = 37

Why 37?

it's actually 42.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrases_fr ... the_Galaxy

[heavensdaw]

I dig the way this guy (kahil Gibran) reflects on this.........

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5484/Gibran.htm

Hd

[ikeaboy]

5 pages on the Ableton forum and no definative solution to the meaning of life yet? Slackers