Got a new PC and it doesn't work

suspended childhood · Post by **suspended childhood** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:43 am

Johnisfaster wrote:complaining about it just means you weren't skilled enough to tweak it.

dont take anything i said as complaining or assume i dont have skills to tweak any os....ill reverse shell a host based firewall and fire off cmd.exe using an iusr account in less tha 15 seconds any day

ill even send you the log files 4096 bit encrypted

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:48 am

swiffy wrote:http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/s ... DUS%2DAFFC

Which mac guys?

you're kidding, right?

adventurepants_ · Post by **adventurepants_** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:56 am

suspended childhood wrote:
Johnisfaster wrote:complaining about it just means you weren't skilled enough to tweak it.

dont take anything i said as complaining or assume i dont have skills to tweak any os....ill reverse shell a host based firewall and fire off cmd.exe using an iusr account in less tha 15 seconds any day

ill even send you the log files 4096 bit encrypted

nope, no jokes to be made about insecure nerds here.

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:08 am

and to think, somebody said the forum is boring

crumhorn · Post by **crumhorn** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:54 am

Where do MAC fanboys get the idea that PC's "Just Don't Work". It simply isn't true!

Nearly all the reasons people quote for not using a PC are just misinformation.

Sure most PC come with a bundle of pre installed applications. Some of them are a bit crap and some of them are really good. Just go to the control panel and remove any applications you don't want. ***There is absolutely no need to reinstall the OS***.

The pre-installed Photoshop Elements and Premier Elements on my Viao have been invaluable (in fact I recently earned myself £500 for enhancing 100 product photos for a web site project, using Photoshop Elements).

On the other hand the pre installed Sony stuff is crap so I removed it.

suspended childhood · Post by **suspended childhood** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:19 pm

did you also disable/ remove the sony accounts on your system and in the acl's that were created by sony? and did you clean the registry? what about disabling the unnecessary services and turn auditing on? and is there a "diagnostics" section on your hard drive created by sony? and what about av? do you download defs daily and scan weekly?

I know dell does this...just wondering if you found this to be true with sony too.

if you reinstall the os from a microsoft provided cd you will get rid of all the extras the vendor (sony in this case) provided.

in the windows world users are accustomed to "add/ remove" from the control panel, and since its a pretty picture and they dont know better, they believe the software is removed, when there are actually random files left all over the hard drive but they cant see the files because theres no picture (gui). sometimes you really have to fire up the command line to figure it out.

this sounds like a lot of work.

Khazul · Post by **Khazul** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:37 pm

Sounds like you need to upgrade the user...

djfm · Post by **djfm** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:19 pm

yeah get a mac mini

crumhorn · Post by **crumhorn** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:47 pm

suspended childhood wrote:did you also disable/ remove the sony accounts on your system and in the acl's that were created by sony? and did you clean the registry? what about disabling the unnecessary services and turn auditing on? and is there a "diagnostics" section on your hard drive created by sony? and what about av? do you download defs daily and scan weekly?

I know dell does this...just wondering if you found this to be true with sony too.

if you reinstall the os from a microsoft provided cd you will get rid of all the extras the vendor (sony in this case) provided.

in the windows world users are accustomed to "add/ remove" from the control panel, and since its a pretty picture and they dont know better, they believe the software is removed, when there are actually random files left all over the hard drive but they cant see the files because theres no picture (gui). sometimes you really have to fire up the command line to figure it out.

this sounds like a lot of work.

No Sony accounts on the system (unless they are really well hidden)

I know a lot of uninstallers are crap and the registry is the worst invention ever so I do clean the registry after installing or uninstalling.

As for AV - I removed the Norton crap more or less the first time I turned it on and replaced it with AVG - checks for updates whenever I turn on the PC - set it to do a full scan at 2 am once a week, but I don't install any suspect software or visit dodgy areas of the web and the thing is firewalled by my router.

One reason for not reinstalling the OS is that I actually wanted to keep some of the free apps (Photoshop and Premier elements costs about £100 to buy), The other reason is I don't particularly want to pay twice for the OS.

I'm fairly sure I have unused dlls and stuff left over from uninstalled apps, but disk space is cheap and I don't really care - Life is too short to hunt this stuff down and it's doing no harm.

I use my PC for software development as wll as music so I have all kinds of services installed (Apache, MySQL, etc.), but the thing about services is they use very little system resources unless an application actually calls on them.

But my main point is the thing just works. I've never had any problem with it. It runs sweet as a nut and if it ain't broke I don't fix it.

deepee · Post by **deepee** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:54 pm

No sweat really. Just use this app...

http://www.ccleaner.com/

suspended childhood · Post by **suspended childhood** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:37 pm

check out process explorer. it will tell you what processes are using files:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysi ... 96653.aspx

then you can decide to delete them if you want.

this is different than perf mon.

adventurepants_ · Post by **adventurepants_** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:13 pm

deepee wrote:No sweat really. Just use this app...

http://www.ccleaner.com/

also use the free REVO uninstaller. It does everything i used to do manually ie clean the registry, search for dlls etc.

Use that in conjunction with CCcleaner and your system should avoid the bloat.

its amazing how much crap gets written to the reg. I uninstalled a small pc game recently that had over 12000 entries!

gjm · Post by **gjm** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:30 pm

adventurepants_ wrote:...also use the free REVO uninstaller.

Use that in conjunction with CCcleaner and your system should avoid the bloat.

Mr Pants...Thank you for another great tip. Regards G.

dysanfel · Post by **dysanfel** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:31 pm

get a mac

dysanfel · Post by **dysanfel** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:34 pm

crumhorn wrote:Where do MAC fanboys get the idea that PC's "Just Don't Work". It simply isn't true!

Nearly all the reasons people quote for not using a PC are just misinformation.

Its not that they "Just don't work", its that they "only work sometimes". Hell, OSX runs better on my PC than XP ever did.

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/12/2 ... lator.html