UnEvEn loop lengths when recording on the fly(Qntz 1 bar)
UnEvEn loop lengths when recording on the fly(Qntz 1 bar)
I've been using Live as a real time looper/phrase sampler since version one, and it's worked like a charm until now. My quantization is set to 1 bar, as it has been in ver. 1,2,3,4, and now 5. but, about 1 out of every 10 loops comes out short, like 1.3.3 in stead of 2.
This must be a glitch right? If Quant. is set to 1 bar then all my loops/clips should be either a bar or some multiple of bars, never 1.3.3 or 7+ or... whatever, you get the picture.
anyone else experiencing this issue? I know my drummer is. We're both running 5.0.2 he's on a pc and I'm on a 800mhz tiBook.
any help would be greatly appreciated, as this has been interfering w/ our live performances.
-be well
This must be a glitch right? If Quant. is set to 1 bar then all my loops/clips should be either a bar or some multiple of bars, never 1.3.3 or 7+ or... whatever, you get the picture.
anyone else experiencing this issue? I know my drummer is. We're both running 5.0.2 he's on a pc and I'm on a 800mhz tiBook.
any help would be greatly appreciated, as this has been interfering w/ our live performances.
-be well
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yep , I'm experiencing the exact same thing.... i posted here:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28227
i got no replies....I think I'll email the abeltons about it , as you should too
it kills the flow man , it kills the flow.
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28227
i got no replies....I think I'll email the abeltons about it , as you should too
it kills the flow man , it kills the flow.
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i emailed support@ableton.com ,
the advice I was given was to try muting the recording track , and setting monitor to auto....and let them know how that works for me....
i dont know about you , but i dont enjoy 'workarounds' to compensate for what should be working....
the advice I was given was to try muting the recording track , and setting monitor to auto....and let them know how that works for me....
i dont know about you , but i dont enjoy 'workarounds' to compensate for what should be working....
free music theory
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
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I just finished doing some tests , heres what I did.
quantize is set to one bar
tempo is 109
track one is set to receive audio from midi channel nine
i put an instrument (albino) in track nine , and record a simple 1 bar midi clip.
i set track one to AUTO monitoring , and i mute the channel. (as per my instructions from ableton support..)
now i click on an empty clip in track one , and it records. if you press play on the same clip before its finished recording , it stops recording as it should - a complete bar , and then plays.
before , this was would be hit & miss , and would sometimes stop early as i told you. however this time it wasnt finishing early , but i guarantee you it does at seemingly random occasions. So....I continued to experiment , ...now i tried clicking on an empty clip , and before it finished I clicked on the next empty clip on the same track , and did that about 10 times in a row , so that i should have ten 1 bar loops. But no , now its missing the bar worse then I experienced before....when it stopped earlier before it used to register as a 3+ clip , all of these clips were 3 in length instead of 4.....
i tried this with monitoring set to off , and it did the same thing....this bug happens all of the time , where as the original one I experienced only happened some of the time....probably because i wasnt looking for a bug...
I hope this gets fixed in the next update
quantize is set to one bar
tempo is 109
track one is set to receive audio from midi channel nine
i put an instrument (albino) in track nine , and record a simple 1 bar midi clip.
i set track one to AUTO monitoring , and i mute the channel. (as per my instructions from ableton support..)
now i click on an empty clip in track one , and it records. if you press play on the same clip before its finished recording , it stops recording as it should - a complete bar , and then plays.
before , this was would be hit & miss , and would sometimes stop early as i told you. however this time it wasnt finishing early , but i guarantee you it does at seemingly random occasions. So....I continued to experiment , ...now i tried clicking on an empty clip , and before it finished I clicked on the next empty clip on the same track , and did that about 10 times in a row , so that i should have ten 1 bar loops. But no , now its missing the bar worse then I experienced before....when it stopped earlier before it used to register as a 3+ clip , all of these clips were 3 in length instead of 4.....
i tried this with monitoring set to off , and it did the same thing....this bug happens all of the time , where as the original one I experienced only happened some of the time....probably because i wasnt looking for a bug...
I hope this gets fixed in the next update
free music theory
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
just for chucks, I experimented w/ some of the other quantization settings(none, 1/4, etc.) My hope was that by switching between them, the program would wake up and start behaving. Well... it didn't.
one thing occured to me though. W/ qnt. set to none, I was getting a lot of those "not quite whole" loops, as expected w/ that setting. So, I'm wondering if the glitch is simply that Qantize randomly defaults to none, leaving us w/ uneven, unquantized clips.
As I see it, this glitch is worthy of an update all its' own.
-peace
one thing occured to me though. W/ qnt. set to none, I was getting a lot of those "not quite whole" loops, as expected w/ that setting. So, I'm wondering if the glitch is simply that Qantize randomly defaults to none, leaving us w/ uneven, unquantized clips.
As I see it, this glitch is worthy of an update all its' own.
-peace
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i dont think its randomly setting itself to NO QUANTIZATION , because when I tested it , i clicked on the next clip before it would have reached the 3rd note , so the clips should have been less than 3 if thats the case.....right?
free music theory
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
well, I'm no programmer, but the seemimgly inconsistant loop lengths(3+, 7+, etc.) that I'm getting continue to point to no quant. If your getting 3 every time, even when you click before the 3rd beat, perhaps yours if setting itself to 1/4. Either way, this just shouldn't be happening, and needs to be fixed immediately.
-respect
-respect
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seems to be working on the abes machines as well from what i can gather.
your signature says you are using live 5.1 ? ....are you using the latest update?
your signature says you are using live 5.1 ? ....are you using the latest update?
free music theory
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
It happened several times this morning, then... the ultimate groove killer, "Live has unexpectedly quit".
This just cannot happen during a live performance, no excuses!
I trashed my prefs and everything was cool for the rest of the session('bout an hour), loop lengths and all.
But that's the problem w/ these glitches, they're intermittent at best.
-breathe
This just cannot happen during a live performance, no excuses!
I trashed my prefs and everything was cool for the rest of the session('bout an hour), loop lengths and all.
But that's the problem w/ these glitches, they're intermittent at best.
-breathe
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have you been emailing support@ableton.com ?
i have...but i havent heard from them today , or since mid afternoon yesterday. ...i re-installed the latest update , and tried again...and it still happens , i let them know and im waiting for instructions....
in the mean time i downloaded camtasia and im gonna create a video-capture of the bug in action and send it to them
-good luck
i have...but i havent heard from them today , or since mid afternoon yesterday. ...i re-installed the latest update , and tried again...and it still happens , i let them know and im waiting for instructions....
in the mean time i downloaded camtasia and im gonna create a video-capture of the bug in action and send it to them
-good luck
free music theory
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
I am experiencing the exact same problem...It is a NIGHTMARE when playing in a LIVE situation!
C'mon Abletons...this is a huge issue!
C'mon Abletons...this is a huge issue!
eDrummer: Roland Vdrum kit Live 8/ MacBookPro 2.5 mhz & 2gb. Motu Ultralite.. Homemade midi-triggering pad for LIVE's filters , clips , & record buttons. Hopelessly hooked on live looping.
This is driving me freakin' nuts. Last night, @ our regular gig, about 1/2 the loops I laid down came out F'd up. What's worse, Live completely crashed during soundcheck. So, as I've learned from previous 'work-around' tutorials, I trashed my prefs and started over. Live made it through both sets w/ out crashing, but 50% of the loops were still UNquantized. It's challenging enough performing this kinda music(100% improvised electronica), but having to correct, and sometimes RErecord, loops that should be quantized is just plain getting in the way of my game.
As far as I can tell, the clips begin recording at the appropriate point, it's the stop record function that seems to be eluding quantization.
for the record: I've ruled out the possibility of faulty midi controllers, because the problem occurs even when using the computer keyboard or mouse.
-respect
As far as I can tell, the clips begin recording at the appropriate point, it's the stop record function that seems to be eluding quantization.
for the record: I've ruled out the possibility of faulty midi controllers, because the problem occurs even when using the computer keyboard or mouse.
-respect
15" 2.8Ghz i7 MBP OS 10.6.8, MOTU Traveler, Live 8.2.5, M4L, NI Komplete 5, Behringer FCB1010, Edirol PCR 500, Kenton Killamix, Evolution UC-33.
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i know dude. it sucks. i've just emailed them again and asked them if they are looking into it...
free music theory
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html