"Magic Send" - fades out track while fading in FX!
"Magic Send" - fades out track while fading in FX!
Try this:
Put a Utility set to phase invert on the "A Return" track.
Put an effect (100% wet) on "B Return" (try a ping pong delay to get a feel for it)
On the A Return track turn up Send B to maximum and set the gain to 0db
Make sure that both sends are set to post
You can now use send A on any track to xfade between 100% dry and 100% effect. great for dub delays where you want to drop out the original sound but still here the delayed version - for example.
Send B will bring in the effect in the normal way.
You can set up several effects in this way to create a kind of dub pallette, and spontaneously apply any combination of effects to any track (ok, this is obvious ), shifting the whole mix from 100% dry to 100% effects just by tweeaking a few sends
Arguably the 180 degree phase shift might affect the sound of the dry/wet mix with some effects, but another phase inverter placed before the effect would fix it. In practice it doesn't appear to make much of a difference with most effects.
I originally posted this idea on another thread (http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27362) under general, but thought it was worth posting here as well.
n
Put a Utility set to phase invert on the "A Return" track.
Put an effect (100% wet) on "B Return" (try a ping pong delay to get a feel for it)
On the A Return track turn up Send B to maximum and set the gain to 0db
Make sure that both sends are set to post
You can now use send A on any track to xfade between 100% dry and 100% effect. great for dub delays where you want to drop out the original sound but still here the delayed version - for example.
Send B will bring in the effect in the normal way.
You can set up several effects in this way to create a kind of dub pallette, and spontaneously apply any combination of effects to any track (ok, this is obvious ), shifting the whole mix from 100% dry to 100% effects just by tweeaking a few sends
Arguably the 180 degree phase shift might affect the sound of the dry/wet mix with some effects, but another phase inverter placed before the effect would fix it. In practice it doesn't appear to make much of a difference with most effects.
I originally posted this idea on another thread (http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27362) under general, but thought it was worth posting here as well.
n
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this method doesn't like PDC though. not a biggie for me, but may be for some people. if you have PDC switched on, the track delay changes every time you record arm a track, meaning the phase inversion stops cancelling the original audio....
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mmmm, I didn't think of that. well spotted.
One thing I did notice is that if you turn both Sends A and B to max, then you get a kind of high frequency residue. Theoretically it should cancel out the input signal to the effect and you should hear nothing (I think ).
This implies to me that some high frequency roll off is happening on the sends (or on the main fader?) - whatever the reason, it doesn't seem right.
One thing I did notice is that if you turn both Sends A and B to max, then you get a kind of high frequency residue. Theoretically it should cancel out the input signal to the effect and you should hear nothing (I think ).
This implies to me that some high frequency roll off is happening on the sends (or on the main fader?) - whatever the reason, it doesn't seem right.
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i actually kind of dig that... it's like being able to turn on an instant high pass filter. your right though, it did occur to me that it shouldn't be happening. i'm not sure quite what it means, but i expect it's probably not something good in terms of what the effects or mixing/summing are doing to the signal!
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I tried it with just an inverter on each return, it all works as expected until you bring in the second send.... I've now convinced myself that it is caused by a time shift being applied somewhere, probably in error. it's like the sound you get from a very short single shot echo.
I think I'll post something about it on the "rendering degrades sound quality" thread, that should put the cat among the pidgeons
I think I'll post something about it on the "rendering degrades sound quality" thread, that should put the cat among the pidgeons
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I did, and got a reply from Robert Henke himself.
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27502
apparently it's all perfectly normal and unavoidable.
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27502
apparently it's all perfectly normal and unavoidable.
"That very perceptive of you Mr Stapleton, and rather unexpected... in a G Major"