check out the schwarzonator

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by 4.33 » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:45 am

Gab wrote:
darbyjones wrote:I might have to by M4L just for this. I think it's great, just wished he used the actual cord names instead of track names.
+1.
+1, that's sketchy

but if you read up basic articles on music theory on wiki - you'll easily figure it out

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by Gab » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:00 am

Actually I'm currently learning music theory, so I'm OK with the naming of the schwarzonator chords. But it would have been nice for music theory dummies to know what they are 'playing' with the help of the plugin. As it is, they will have no idea what they are doing — it completely subsitutes theoretical knowledge with fun, while it could have combined both.
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by Slightlydelic » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:57 am

personaly i have no desire to learn music theory.

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by UnCL0NED » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:03 pm

Very cool patch! I see a lot of possibilities for Live performances here...
I assume that there is also a way to link this patch to the transpose knob in ableton (once I learn how to program M4L ;)).
Imagine all your transpose knobs on your audiotracks linked to the master Schwartzonator.-> start a beat a bassline and some backing samples. -> start improvising with a synth over it. -> do some weird chord changes and the bassline and backing samples will follow the chord changes, keeping your whole Live set in tune!!! I can really focus on other things in my Liveset then...
I'm def. getting M4L for the holidays to f^#$K around with.
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by chapelier fou » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:06 pm

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by chapelier fou » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:08 pm

I am currently working on the [makeahitsingle~] max object. Coming soon !
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by UnCL0NED » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:56 pm

Somebody convert this to Mac... PLEAZZZZZ!!!
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by rbmonosylabik » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:18 pm

I love this idea. Maybe not so much for me because I'm lucky and know music theory, though I'm by no means a keyboard player, but for uses like Moldover's Octomasher. How about picking someone from the audience and have her ;) come up on stage and jam with you regardless of music knowledge? Or using an app like mrmr to give anyone in the audience with a mobile device that supports it an interface to join the jam, all kept in tune with this device. To me it sounds cool.
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by Mehalic » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:58 pm

Wow, I was pretty impressed. I've tried the chord and scale plugs and the various racks out there (yeah, my music theory sucks) and I haven't found them all that great. Can't wait to give this a try. Some people just have a tough time learning the theory (me!). If I have time, I just want to sit and make tunes, and this tool helps with that.

Especially the like "little brother" device, great idea.
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by Ralf » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:06 pm

I was deeply impressed by this clever tool made by Henrik
because it implements a fundamental paradigm in an explicite
and open way as never before(*): the separation in a musical
instrument of harmony and melody.

Look, the scale selector is automatable, so, you could select
the harmonies with the left hand and play the melody with the
right hand (or put the harmonies in a clip as Henrik did).

Think about chord changes in Jazz.

And it's all clean, this is no auto accompaniment, arpeggiator or
something, you are in full control, it only plays *your* melody.

And one more thought. Henrik knows Music theory, that's not
the point. Otherwise he could not program the Schwarzonator
presets. But knowing the theory and being able to follow it
in an improvised live performance is a difference of 5000...7500
hours of training, and only if you are talented enough.

Anyway, as any new instrument Schwarzonator will require
some training to get to its limits, but I'm sure it'll
allow to play things not heared before, even more by
musicians who know their stuff!

Ralf

*) Sorry for my ignorance, probably somebody somewhere
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by ze2be » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:13 pm

Ralf wrote:Look, the scale selector is automatable, so, you could select
the harmonies with the left hand and play the melody with the
right hand (or put the harmonies in a clip as Henrik did).
Cant you just chain select between the scales you like in a midi rack? Or am I missing something?

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by chapelier fou » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:17 pm

Yeah I don't get it either.
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by Jekblad » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:14 am

chapelier fou wrote:Yeah I don't get it either.
maybe it's the master/slave relationship that is exciting?
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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by rdomain » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:51 am

I'm glad there were other Ableton users who found this offending etc. There should be more desire to increase musical knowledge, not dumb it down. Sure there's some clever, thought-out programming involved in the design and probably aimed more at the dj market as opposed to an actual musician (which the term 'musician' is contradicted in the video)

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Re: check out the schwarzonator

Post by SubFunk » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:02 am

the reduction to not using your brain at all anymore is fast raising.

i think i throw ableton immediately away, if there will be ever a dixonator featured by them.

this is seriously not funny anymore.
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