exper wrote:So yes, you are forced to pay for the m4l addition whether you want it or not.
No dude, $159. Live 9 Standard. I think that's certainly a fair price considering the new features and improvements that have been added. If you like the instruments you've got, don't spring for Suite. Then you aren't paying for M4L, or any of the other Suite options.
That said, if you're trying to say "But I want Suite, so now I'm forced to get M4L Too!" -- perhaps you should ask yourself why you are actually wanting Suite? If it's just for a few of the instruments, buy them as standalones -- however once you've bought 3 instruments, you've already justified the cost for Suite -- including getting SO many extras, like M4L, and a TON of sample content.
It really comes down to what instruments you feel like using to justify the Suite upgrade price -- the rest is just bonus. If you can't find enough instruments or content (EIC for example) to match the suite price, just buy it ala carte.
Honestly, I think Ableton have a very solid pricing strategy, and really don't force anyone to pay for anything.
All of that said, I totally understand where you're coming from with watching the price go up on the 8 to Suite 8 upgrade. But the fact is, you are receiving so much more than just the old Suite 8. It bites, but it was a mistake on their part and people should accept this, and take pride in the development Ableton does. It really is as simple as asking yourself "Okay, this is how much they want for it -right now- is this worth it to me at this price?"
I'm sorry, I just really cannot imagine trying to defend the idea that the content that you gain from the current Live 8 standard to Live 9 Suite is not worth $400.
I think people are quickly judging the price without consideration of the value.
Edit: Also (sorry), you are quoting Live 9 Boxed pricing at $469-- but the box version doesn't provide anything other than stickers, a manual, and an easier time on your internet connection. I don't think it's fair to use the $469 price as the base line "Suite 9 price" as it doesn't really add anything that you are actually buying Live for (unless you like really expensive stickers.
) Previously Suite 8 Boxed included more content than Suite 8 download (licenses for some extra sound packs). That is no longer the case, thus I find it an unfair comparison.2nd edit: Apparently I dig the word dude this morning.
