Just to recap, the things are:forge wrote: thing is, the instruments are actually powerful and can be very useful, but all the things I just mentioned seriously weaken them
. like that - nicely put!mikemc wrote: 3) Instrument look is needlessly dystopic.
mikemc wrote: the vast post output of the originator notwithstanding
mikemc wrote: (3), I think, is less a powerful consideration-- iow, if I was managing the dev staff, i would rank this low priority.
(4) has been mentioned too often.
So, basically, (1), (2) and (4) are legacy undesirable behaviors that have been mentioned often enough by long-standing users that they should be addressed.
A monumental thread, huzzah sirrah, fair son of OZ.
This has always been my point. Not everyone is a synth programmer and not everyone wants to get into synthesis but good presets (good=usable) can be a start point. Musicians have a primary need: make music. Music is made of sounds. If you have a large sound library you can compose music out of the box, otherwise you need to stop and create your own. What if in the middle of composing your inspiration is stopped by th e lack of a sound (not the one you want, but close)? Everybody wants to be unique but this can be done later during refinement. I think that sonic uniqueness depends on the genre. There are genres were sound experimentation is a must while others where you need bread and butter ones. You can always go tweak them but the starting points should be there and this is where Ableton, could be improved, even if with Puremagnetik or CovOps you can quickly build your library without spending a fortune. What sounds odd to my ears is that you have to rely on external companies to get those. They should be part of any box.Sibanger wrote:+1forge wrote:actually I've generally always been the same, my point is really that it stands out so dramatically when you load up some VSTi synths that it really makes it apparent how lacking the Ableton ones aresunrahrahrah wrote:First thing for me about this discussion is the complaint about the presets. I agree that the presets that came with Operator are not very good, or at the very least there should be more of them. However, I think as soon as possible you should divorce yourself from reliance on presets anyway. At this point I dont go anywhere near the presets that shipped with live, and that goes for almost all instruments and effects. Its much more fun and satisfying to make your own.
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it's inspiring to load up really good presets, I still change them and tailor them to what I want, but it;s less work if it's already mostly there
and it totally depends what you're doing, sometimes you might know exactly what you want and how to get there, other times you might want to flick through presets and get inspired that way
I'd also like to add that the presets should be able to show the quality of the instrument at its best.
Many people getting into synthesis for the early part of their journey also need good presets, cause they don't know how to create what they hear inside their minds as yet.
It is also a good way to learn. 'Oh, so thats what they did to get that sound' kind of thing.
