Poll: new drag/drop behaviour in 7.02 good or bad?

[slirak]

Hi all!
There's a bit of chatter about this in the bugs section but I thought it important enough to warrant a thread of its own.

In the latest 7.02 beta the following "improvement" is made:
"Dropping instruments onto tracks, pads or chains replaces the complete device chain and not only the previous instrument."
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

To me and others, this is not an improvement, quite the opposite. Still, I can see merits to the new behaviour too, in some situations.

Making the behaviour an option is one suggestion, my personal suggestion would be to make this selectable by using a modifier key while drag/dropping. Like you could hold the Shift key down while dragging to get the new behaviour or something like that. (Actually, that could be a good thing when drag/dropping effects and all kinds of chains too.)

So what do you think? Should Ableton stick to the old behaviour or does everybody prefer the new one? Should it be a setting in the Options menu or selectable by a modifier key?

/Jonas

[Poster]

keep the old behaviour.. this totally kills my workflow..

[ernene]

Making the behaviour an option is one suggestion, my personal suggestion would be to make this selectable by using a modifier key while drag/dropping. Like you could hold the Shift key down while dragging to get the new behaviour or something like that. (Actually, that could be a good thing when drag/dropping effects and all kinds of chains too.)

Nice one!, or just keep it as it is on 7.0.1
But please, DON'T change it to the new behaviour as it would kill *a lot of* people's workflow!

My 0,02

[autogen]

Making it selectable via a modifier key seems like the most convenient way to me. I definitely don't want to lose the current way it works completely.

[icedsushi]

Haven't tried 7.0.2 myself, but I like the way it is in 7.0.1 and think they should keep it this way. Did we actually get an answer from Ableton why it was changed?

[3dot...]

modifier...

[Michael Hatsis]

Yeah, I dont see how this is an improvement. Totally detracts from the modularity of device chains. If i want to replace the entire chain ill just 'cntrl + A' then delete.then drag a new instrument in.

[Alex]

Did we actually get an answer from Ableton why it was changed?

Give us a break
The beta was released 24 hours ago and it is Saturday evening.

Regards
/Alex

[Tarekith]

Err, was that our answer?

[Cryptic UK]

Did we actually get an answer from Ableton why it was changed?

Give us a break
The beta was released 24 hours ago and it is Saturday evening.

Regards
/Alex

Give you a break?....... erm give everyone their money back.
work for ya money you tramps.

[gavscope]

Cryptic UK



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New post: Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:56 am Post subject:

'Help please, I am in Demo mode and Ableton won't respond'.

Is this a new bug?

Maybe I was a bit harsh with an abe employee on their weekend?

HELP!!!

[doc holiday]

i may be odd.. my work flow is to click the reload button and grab the preset
I was trying to clobber my rack but couldn't.. then i dropped the device on the chain, and clobbered it. but i never drop there any way.

but dropping the instrument/fx alway replaced what i wanted :S

i vote preference

[artworks]

...er...why change something that works? But if pushed then give us a choice: modifier key. This is a bit like the whole snap-to-grid/grid visibility fiasco which took ages to get put right again and messed up workflow in the meantime. Please, Ableton, don't remove functionality, give us choice.

[artworks]

However, (and also as posssu notes (Bugs+Probs)) it seems that the way one drops a new instrument into the track IS the modifier: Drop new instrument directly onto old instrument only changes instrument not whole device chain. So no sweat then

[slirak]

However, (and also as posssu notes (Bugs+Probs)) it seems that the way one drops a new instrument into the track IS the modifier: Drop new instrument directly onto old instrument only changes instrument not whole device chain. So no sweat then

That makes it bearable, yes.

But I'm so used to the old behaviour, I'll probably delete carefully setup chains by accident a zillion times! So I'd still prefer the old behaviour or ultimately a choice by modifier key.

/Jonas