Combining NI Battery with Drum Racks / Midi Effect Racks

penningt · Post by **penningt** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:21 am

Timur wrote:Ah, grouping Audio outs that way seems to make alot of sense. I will try that with Battery, too. Since all your pads send C2 to AD for the sole purpose of being an Audio return. Does that mean that C2 is not playing any sound in AD?

Correct

thelocalhost · Post by **thelocalhost** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:21 am

Timur wrote: Lots of the parameters are midi assignable, but unfortunately several are missing (like articulation aka roll/flam and such).

You can achieve this by creating a few cells with the same .cl3 file, but with a different articulation. Then use the "Condition 1" in "Cell Activation" > "Setup". Set each cell to respond to a particular CC (e.g., #75) range (e.g., 11-20 for cell 1, 21-30 for cell 2, 31-40 for cell 3).

Note: You need to send midi to trigger the cells, don't click on the cells. There is some weird behavior concerning how the conditions are applied when you click on a cell.

c1c2 · Post by **c1c2** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:27 pm

Very useful hint, thanks a lot.

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:42 pm

Have to find out what a .cl3 file is first. But thanks for the hint!

jbone1313 · Post by **jbone1313** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:48 am

Timur, thanks so much for the post. Question: I've read all the posts, but maybe I missed this. Whenever I change kits in battery, it changes all the cells' channels to "Master." Is there any way to quickly load kits whilst keeping the same channel mappings on the pads? Or to I have to re-assign the each cell's channel every time I load a kit?

Thanks!

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:46 am

Glad you like it!

Battery should save channel settings for its kits within the kit. So after changing the channels you have to save the kit, either overwriting the old one or creating a new one (can't try atm, cause I'm booted to a fresh installation of Vista).

jbone1313 · Post by **jbone1313** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:24 am

Hmm. I tried saving the kit you have in the project--the basic kit--to my desktop.

When I save the kit, it keeps its channel settings, but then, when I load up another kit, each cell's channel in the newly loaded kit is now set to master again.

Will we have to go through all the kits and set their cells channels? It be nice to just be able to browse through the kits while using Live.

I don't see anyway to save and or apply some kind of battery template to any kit--i.e., one that would keep apply all of the channel settings.

Thanks for the reply. Please lemme know whacha think.

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:34 am

Yes, very obviously the routing of cells to channels is saved with each specific kit and so you have to go through all of those kits, change their routing and save them if you plan to use them with Drum Racks. I don't see this as a problem, because you can always zip through kits via a normal stereo channel and once you decided on which kit you really use or build your own you can save it with proper channeling.

selthym · Post by **selthym** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:09 am

Anyone care to share their kits (kit only, not the sample) with the channels remapped???

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:40 am

I didn't save any remapped kits yet, because I don't use them yet.

I don't even own a licence for Live yet, because I'm far too busy with working on other stuff at the moment (vocal coaching, drum lessons, finding bugs in Live which I want to get solved before I put my money into it).

TekMonki · Post by **TekMonki** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:01 am

Great tip/setup. I'm trying to do this with Microtonic, which as of the latest version has outs for each channel (8 total). However, Channel 1 doesn't show in the external instrument (only 2-8) and when I play it, it plays back only on the Microtonic track and not the drum rack track. Is there any way around this?

I see that penningt has Addictive Drums and a Drum Rack on the same track in Live. I thought that my be a way to achieve what I want, but when I try to put them both on the same track one replaces the other, either way.

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:55 am

You cannot use the main outs (stereo channel 1) with external instrument, because you don't need it. If you want to use the main outs then just drag the VST to the pad/track.

TekMonki · Post by **TekMonki** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:46 pm

Timur wrote:If you want to use the main outs then just drag the VST to the pad/track.

Knew it was something simple like that. Thanks dood!

boraxx · Post by **boraxx** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:41 pm

im still trying to get my head around what penningt said in order to bypass the limit in audio outs in your VST. the image you posted is down, can anyboy elaborate on this?

thanks

penningt · Post by **penningt** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:34 am

boraxx wrote:the image you posted is down, can anyboy elaborate on this?

Here they are again ...

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Hope you find them useful.