Live 6.0.6b1: MIDI Feedback of fired clips in session

Dj-Grobe · Post by **Dj-Grobe** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:24 am

Mr ssilk, if you search under the forum you can find i report this bug to ableton, and after explain how much important its have correct order of the MIDI feedback, they finally fix on new beta, thanks for that ableton, this helpme a lot om my MIDI controller project : )

You can find in this url http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55114 my first post about this, and you can see repply form Robert Henke, and how they faster fix this.

For that reason i just sugest to you make the same, explain why and how can improve the ableton usage the change you sugest, Ffor that reaosn i insist on that : )

I apologize if my words sound hard some times, or bad.
Sorry for that, i are very efusive some times, sorry for that...add to my efusivity my bad english, and some time that combination can sound very very bad, i apologize again.

Final sugestion, open new post on the wishlist, or on the bug section.

Best regards !!

Dj-Grobe · Post by **Dj-Grobe** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:28 pm

The Solution
We decided to change this behaviour for the current beta. We now send the Note Off first and then the other feedback data. But this change is very tricky, it might break things on places which we do not expect. Therefore we decided to make it optional for this beta. You need to turn it on explicitely if you want it.

You need to create a textfile called Options.txt and place it in the .../Preferences/Ableton/Live606b1 folder. This file needs to contain this line of text:

-_SwitchOrderOfSuccessiveClipStartStop

If there is allready an Options.txt file simply add this line.

PLEASE sombody can tellme where is this on windows????
Where put this file on windows?

Dj-Grobe · Post by **Dj-Grobe** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:56 pm

* OS 9: .../Preferences/Ableton/Live [version]/Options.txt
* OS X: .../Preferences/Ableton/Live [version]/Options.txt
* Win: ...\Program Files\Ableton\Live [version]\Preferences\Options.txt
* Win Live 5: C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Application Data\Ableton\Live [version]\Preferences\Options.txt

Thta say faqs, i have ableton 6.0.10

Fodler preferences no exist:

Win: ...\Program Files\Ableton\Live 6.0.10\Preferences

I created manually and put isnide Options.txt with that string..........

But feature not work, this feature continue working or is removed?

Dj-Grobe · Post by **Dj-Grobe** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:04 pm

Lol i finded is on

C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\Application Data\Ableton\Live 6.0.10\Preferences\Options.txt

: )

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:34 am

wait, you already did this

did you just forget how to do it?

Dj-Grobe · Post by **Dj-Grobe** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:04 am

No, lol, i know how do on OSX, but no on windows, anyway now i know how under windows

Best regards

julienb · Post by **julienb** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:40 pm

what about Live 7.0.1 ??

does it work with 7.0.1 version?

Tuur · Post by **Tuur** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:52 pm

So, what exactly was the reasoning behind sending out the #1 when there's a loop somewhere in the clip?

The play, launch and stop feedback is ok, but I can't figure this one out...

Also, is there a list with options.txt tricks somewhere?

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:40 pm

julienb wrote:what about Live 7.0.1 ??

does it work with 7.0.1 version?

Still works like that. There are Lemur projects taking advantage of it, the Monodeck II takes advantage of it as far as I know. And I wonder if some of the Faderfoxes use that info for some of it's LEDs?

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:41 pm

julienb wrote:what about Live 7.0.1 ??

does it work with 7.0.1 version?

Still works like that. There are Lemur projects taking advantage of it, the Monodeck II takes advantage of it as far as I know. And I wonder if some of the Faderfoxes use that info for some of it's LEDs?

Don't need to mess about in the options files anymore, though.

julienb · Post by **julienb** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:55 pm

yeah
since these posts, we tested some developpement by mdk here:
http://groups.google.fr/group/liveapi
and here:
http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/live-api

but, as many of us, I'd like more availability inside Live API.
I planned to build my controller too..

Tuur · Post by **Tuur** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:11 am

API shmapi.

I'd be more than happy with more/better midi feedback options.

- Sending the often requested 'entering loop' message
- Sending an 'exiting loop' message (this is not the same as activate/deactivate loop by the way)
- Sending of the clip status (all mappings?) on start of clip (this also means loop active or not; if you would have mapped a CC control to it)
- Etc

You know, the basic stuff one would be interested in.

I hope I'm thick and someone will tell me it's possible already...

julienb · Post by **julienb** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:21 am

Tuur wrote:API shmapi.

I'd be more than happy with more/better midi feedback options.

- Sending the often requested 'entering loop' message
- Sending an 'exiting loop' message (this is not the same as activate/deactivate loop by the way)
- Sending of the clip status (all mappings?) on start of clip (this also means loop active or not; if you would have mapped a CC control to it)
- Etc

You know, the basic stuff one would be interested in.

I hope I'm thick and someone will tell me it's possible already...

+11111
yes!
all kind of control/feedback would just be .......... necessary!

Ableton Live can be considered (as others daw, pattern machines etc) as a meta-instrument (for my own opinion)
and how can we play a meta instrument with a poor 2D-movements tool (=mouse) ???

I mean, we have to work further now... create our controller, customize the presets of ours already existing controllers etc etc

we need more control and feedback to make our led blinking

PLEASE !! PLEASE !!!

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:33 am

Tuur wrote:API shmapi.

I'd be more than happy with more/better midi feedback options.

- Sending the often requested 'entering loop' message
- Sending an 'exiting loop' message (this is not the same as activate/deactivate loop by the way)
- Sending of the clip status (all mappings?) on start of clip (this also means loop active or not; if you would have mapped a CC control to it)
- Etc

You know, the basic stuff one would be interested in.

]I hope I'm thick and someone will tell me it's possible already...

You're thick and this is already possible

Assign a note to a clip, enable remote output in Live's prefs.
It'll send out the following velocity messages:

0 = Clip stopped
1 = Clip repeat
126 = Clip Triggered
127 = Clip started

julienb · Post by **julienb** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:37 am

bjorn,
you need to assign a note for each clip...
indeed, i discovered this feature very late.. but for my own opinion, it is very unsatisfying to assign a note for each clip before a live performance...
it costs too minutes, i mean

but you're right, it works fine!