ableton creating a saturated market for producers?

mech84 · Post by **mech84** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:50 pm

Do you think the rise in popularity of DAW's such as Ableton has caused the market place of music to become saturated, which makes it harder for good producers to get there stuff heard?

Contra · Post by **Contra** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:53 pm

its not about the machine(or proggram in this case) its about the person using the machine/program

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:57 pm

to a certain extend but im more inclined to think its the fault of cracks rather than any of the DAW makers. Anyone can download a crack & make music to their hearts content, however, like in the days of hardware, if they have to shell out a few hundred bucks to do it i think a lot less would be out there.

Does feel like there's too many artists now to ever get noticed. But then im not really sure what being noticed means...record deals? They seem to becoming less in number and importance at the same time as artists are growing.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:58 pm

It's all about the tune, not the technology. A great song sounds great with an acoustic guitar and a cassette 4-track. All the DAW turd-polishing/"production" in the world can't make a crap song any good, though.

IMO, just about anyone can 'produce', but not many can songwrite.

Production is a skill. Songwriting is a talent.

fatrabbit · Post by **fatrabbit** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:01 pm

Maybe the musician:general population ratio has largely stayed the same? There are more people alive today than have ever been alive in history after all.

jeskola · Post by **jeskola** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:03 pm

id say the opposite, means you have to be super sharp.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:15 pm

Ableton, no

Reason probably opened up the door for bedroom producers long before Ableton came on the scene

but as stated before - it's about talent, skill and a fucking good jam

you can spot a sick jam in a mound of crap easy, trust me

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:39 pm

Piano's really did fuck up the world of music eh.

If any software suffered from this is was Rebirth. All that crappy 303 808
techno done by kids with no creative bone. Had to listen to a guy
downstairs playing that crap for months on end once, almost went mad.

-Ben

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:39 am

now you've just got to work even harder to stick out and have WAY more friends on myspace than the other guys.

massiveheadpain · Post by **massiveheadpain** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:52 am

When it comes down to it you either have skill or you suck. The people that have no talent usually get overwhelmed by technology and produce garbage. Music lovers can always spot a great song from a bad one.

rbmonosylabik · Post by **rbmonosylabik** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:09 am

I think the term "Producer" has been cheapened very badly. Nowadays, when I ask someone "what do you do?" and they answer "I'm a producer" they instantly loose credibility, simply because I know it means "I have a computer with Reason/FL/any other cracked app and know how to load a drum loop, a bass line and some other presets"

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:38 am

I would say Garageband is saturating the market with bonehead basement musicians more than Live. Ableton can only fantasize about such market share.

mikemc · Post by **mikemc** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:10 am

The market is where marketing happens, and it is not being saturated by musical product created using Ableton, because most of the people that use it do not have the presence in the marketplace. Much of the time, the difference between a boneheaded basement musician and the next emerging superstar is the promotional machinery in play.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:20 am

rbmonosylabik wrote:I think the term "Producer" has been cheapened very badly. Nowadays, when I ask someone "what do you do?" and they answer "I'm a producer" they instantly loose credibility, simply because I know it means "I have a computer with Reason/FL/any other cracked app and know how to load a drum loop, a bass line and some other presets"

Yep.

To me, Rick Rubin, George Martin, and Mutt Lange are producers.

Komplex · Post by **Komplex** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:28 am

rbmonosylabik wrote:I think the term "Producer" has been cheapened very badly. Nowadays, when I ask someone "what do you do?" and they answer "I'm a producer" they instantly loose credibility, simply because I know it means "I have a computer with Reason/FL/any other cracked app and know how to load a drum loop, a bass line and some other presets"

Thats how I think now as well...