WirelessPocketPC MIDI Controller Ended

John Sweet · Post by **John Sweet** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:03 pm

Having this much control in my phone would be so unreal.

gafferuk · Post by **gafferuk** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:18 pm

Heres a screenshot of the receiving application which runs on the desktop:

Not much to see. you don't want much running as it's an input device you want it fast as possible, you get the idea.

gafferuk · Post by **gafferuk** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:06 am

Heres a screenshot of connect screen, again not much to see.

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Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:34 am

I correct myself, my faders are equivalant to motorized faders so they are equivalant to bcf2000's not bcr2000's so thats equivalant to 97 bcf2000's at $250 each.
Thats a grand total of $31450 + VAT of hardware on a pocketPC!

yikes!! makes it look like good value, but don't forget that with a bcf you can do more than one thing at a time and theres a tactile response that you can't emulate with a ppc.

i think i'd better check ebay for a PPC!! anyone recommend a good unit?

gafferuk · Post by **gafferuk** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:06 am

Tactile response, you get a tap feeling when you tap the screen, and friction when you slide it, just like a fader. Or a i missing something like half way markers? If pocketPC's had vibrate that might be fun, could have like a tiny vibration to the bpm like a heart beat, would be useful during quiat pauses ect.

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:16 am

tactile more in the sense of feeling the knobs/faders and not having to necessarily look at them while adjusting em really. i kind of like the idea of being able to use vibrate functions for feedback, but really i doubt it'd be that useful...

it occurred to me that you could get a bit 'lemur' style with this and have physics algorithms to apply to the faders and xy pads. probably not necessary for the core of the idea you're working on, but might allow some unusual control. have a look at http://www.jazzmutant.com/ and check out their jazzeditor software for a better idea of what i'm talking about.

otherwise, this all looks too damn good!!

gafferuk · Post by **gafferuk** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:28 am

I have been thinking about physics effects and waveforms as it would be useful to have one effact carrying on a bit as you move to another control. Problem is there is only a few hardware buttons on a PocketPC to use as options for effects, but i know i will end up looking into it, it's not hard really, simple sine waves and the like.

The vibrate function was just an idea, Standard PocketPC havent got Vibrate function.

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:11 am

physics would be nice, if you had a zero friction setting each fader could become a basic midi lfo i guess. syncing and waveshaping could be nice though... hmmm...

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:52 am

How will this communicate with the PC? Bluetooth HID profile? The latency is notorious and the connection is very shaky.

gafferuk · Post by **gafferuk** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:05 am

Anubis wrote:How will this communicate with the PC? Bluetooth HID profile? The latency is notorious and the connection is very shaky.

No, i would recomend WIFI, this project might not even work, i seem to be the first to do this, so who knows...

There does exist a application which lets you send MIDI data over network i think it's called Midi over LAN or something(they say it's 3000 times faster than midi). It works well, so im hoping mine will too.

MiDI standard is SLOW. WIFI is faster than the MIDI standard so im hoping my latency will be extremly low.

gafferuk · Post by **gafferuk** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:23 am

Clearscreen wrote:physics would be nice, if you had a zero friction setting each fader could become a basic midi lfo i guess. syncing and waveshaping could be nice though... hmmm...

Yea was thinking about holding down a button and dragging a slider which when let go would ossilate by sine wav the distance it was draged. until you release the button or press it again.

You can produce this efect with envelopes and dummy clips I guess but thats ableton only...

Any other ideas welcome!

gafferuk · Post by **gafferuk** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:21 pm

Ive included a Cross-Fader on every page, since it's a well used control by DJ's:

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vexkon · Post by **vexkon** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:25 pm

wow, this software is exciting. I'd be happy to beta this for you gafferuk, i hope it works

gafferuk · Post by **gafferuk** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:29 pm

vexkon wrote:wow, this software is exciting. I'd be happy to beta this for you gafferuk, i hope it works

Yea, you might only be able to move one control at a time but i think it makes up for it with 778 Faders and 48 xycontrollers. I think it would work great alongside your existing MIDI gear.

If you only have a few controls on your midi controller, you can only produce so many effects and the crowd get bored quickly. But with so many controls to play with, effects are virtually infinate!

gafferuk · Post by **gafferuk** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:45 pm

Did you know that ableton crossfader only has resolution of 100? not 128.
It only goes from -50 to 50.When midi is 0 -127 Anyone know why? Doesnt matter, just means my crossfader is higher resolution than abletons...