forge wrote:
We all read the important political threads and understand their importance, and it may or may not spill over into our real lives, depending on how much each of us takes it on board
incidentally, what else are you doing for the good of the lebanese or palestinian people besides getting angry at people on this forum?
I'm not dumping on any of your efforts at all, but I think by being so hateful you are not actually helping your causes at all
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first of all you know I dont start these threads, and I dont introduce politics into a thread that isnt already political. hambone raised the point of living in a selfish bubble, oblivious to one's own insensitivity in reference to some epileptic comments....I had to point out the hypocrisy of his message by referring to a thread he had hijacked before, gloating about how well off he is to be free and how he's going to have a good time on a beautiful mountain trail...and trying to shut down the discussion as best he could - a serious discussion, about dying children and starving people...a discussion that was gathering momentum and we were all exchanging horizon-widening literature - reduced to 'forget about it'. Other then that, I didnt try and turn the thread to politics.
if you know of any incidents where I've hijacked non-political threads and turned them into political threads then let me know, otherwise retract you're "observations"
I think you're memory is playing tricks with you, because I speak with such conviction you're convinced I go around starting this shit...but I dont. I tried to once, make a satirical stunt about how the phrase 'anti-semetic' is having its meaning minced to pieces in today's world, ...I pasted hundreds if not thousands of anagrams ('mean ice tits' being my own personal favourite) ....lol, naturally enough the gag was over looked, & the message behind the gag...and it was dismissed as a troll fest. oh ya...and an open letter to god fearing america where I said do unto others as you want them do to you. both occasions were stunts, designed to highlight a glaring hole in some of the arguments being put across in current political threads at the time.
so....thats it as far as I know, those are my 'shit-stirring' sins. you cant blame me for the rest, where I just joined discussions that other people started, which you often started infact.
as for what I do, well i believe in local charity as well as global charity - its all too easy to project your positivity to far away causes, but if we all started sorting our problems out at home....the world would be a better place. so I volunteer 6 hours a week to two charity shops here. and they in turn put the money to various good uses. I've participated in the opening (and furnishing) of several action-squats for turkish people who were being deported from holland a few years ago, some of home had been living there for in excess of twenty years - ask yourself why they were being deported. I've also participated in the opening of squats for 'regular' homeless people , with no political message behind it. That was in holland. 4 of the squats are still open and thriving, unfortunately not the ones with the brown people in it.
anyone in holland know the biljmeer kraak ? apologies for poor spelling
if you've ever done any of that, you'll know its back-breaking work.
on and off I'm the 'tamborine man' for a band, who cover costs and give the money to local charities , who in turn raise awareness of global causes, which in turn has meant my local town now has a green party mayor as of late. by tamborine man, i mean I demeen myself a little cos my role is kind of lame...launching cheesy electronic noises.....heh, which is why its on and off - they dont really need another human being up there on the stage. and I'm not down with some of the things they say about highlie selassie (sp)...and I dont want to align myself with that, but ya I've done it, may do it again...cos they dont pay themselves, just the guy they rent the van off for the gig, and paying for incense and shit...heh
mostly funds have gone towards a guy who had his house burned down while he was building it, cos he had long hair and was living in a mongolian tent with his family on the site of the house he was building. Helping him, is helping others...because he selflessly teaches people (who want to learn) how to live self-sufficiently and in a symbiotic fashion with the world we live in.
do you see the pattern ?...its not like I'm sending millions of euros to the palestinians, but if I was like you....and just said 'ahhh forget about it' just cos I was lucky enough to pick up some nice synths....well, we would be fucked, and it would have a detrimental effect on global issues. thats what I object to on this board, the -almost- relentless need to sweep real issues under the carpet....for various self-delusional reasons...
you might have fooled yourself into not giving a fuck, but for the love of all that is good shut your fucking mouth when people who havent given up yet are trying to exchange ideas. and dont ridicule people for caring, just cos you dont. typical response tho, get it ALL the time funnilly enough.
if you want to start doing something, well you have to be englightened first - you need the ideology before you can act on it....just be careful what ideologies you align yourself with, and chill out on the 'ya well what do you do' rhetoric
