Tips and Tricks: Making Dub with Live

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:38 pm

these two sites are very good, whatever instruments you play. Go through each page (should take less than a day) & you will get it:

www.zentao.com/guitar/theory/
www.musictheory.net/translations.html

Dr Dub · Post by **Dr Dub** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:21 pm

If you want, you can listen to my Music at Versionist.com, there will be a new
tune per day the next few days.

http://www.versionist.com/artist/DR.%20DUB/music

For the Effects:

For sure, you can (and should) use all Effects for Dub, and FX Sounds and
really strange Effects are nice for single sounds, but I think there are some
essentials you need for a sort of "classic" Dub sound, which are:

Delay (proably most importan/catchy)

Reverb (a spring reverb typiccaly)Phaser (I dont use it as much)

Usually I use 2-3 sends with different Delays (or different Delay-Times),
1-2 reverbs and sometimes a Phaser (mostly for the Drums)

You can build a nice Dub-Delay with Saturator->Filterdelay, all the Stuff from
the Interruptor.ch is nice, i like the Tapedelay and Echomania is really sick
(and they are free), Dubstation is nice (and easy to use), Ohmboyz can do
wicked stuff, but it's expensive and it has no dry/wet, which i don't like.
(if you like the ohmboyz filter, you can get ohmforce Frohmage for free and
combine it with an other Delay).

Reverb is not as easy me think, you can use the Live Reverb with an"unreal"
setting, but i can get no Springverb like sound out of it.
Pretty good is the springverb from GuitarRig, also a nice Phaser and many
other good "analogstyle" Effects. It's expensive, but a really good toolbox
for Dub, especially if you want to record Bass and Guitar too.

Gyro · Post by **Gyro** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:24 am

Hmmm so to keep this thread going...

This will sound strange, but I haven't really listened to much dub in my time (as I understand dub in it's traditional sense i.e. King tubby, Lee scratch perry)

So this is a post for those unitiated like myself, give us your recommendations, where do we begin wit exploring the world of dub?

The only recommendation I could give myself is for O.T.T.
He has occupied my audio space for about 6 months now and I'm still loving it. Check out his album blumenkraft and his dub remix of Hallucinogens album Twisted (freaken amazing how wha he does with this)

Peace, light and love,

Claude

subbasshead · Post by **subbasshead** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:55 am

give us your recommendations, where do we begin wit exploring the world of dub?

I am a big fan of Scientist, a protege of King Tubby...
any of his albums are wicked but some favourite albums would be:
Scientist - Curse of the Vampires,
Scientist - Encounters Pacman,
Scientist - Scientific Dub,
Scientist - Wins the World Cup

In my opinion dub is all about the quality fo the palying in the source tracks
& sicentist always seems to have wickedly good bass & drums...

also check out Augustus Pablo (melodica king)
eg Augustus Pablo - King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown

Mikey Dread - African Anthem

Any of those 4 early African Head Charge albums (Adrian Sherwood at his best!)

African Head Charge - My life in a hole in the ground
African Head Charge - Drastic season
African Head Charge - Off the beaten track
African Head Charge - Environmental studies

the bass & drums in any of these albums is enough to keep most 'modern' dub
in the bedroom where it probably should stay...... altho these two dubstep
tunes have been turning my crank lately:
Elemental - Deep Under
Toast - Angel

just my nz$0.05

Dr Dub · Post by **Dr Dub** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:45 pm

Bump!

D DAS · Post by **D DAS** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:51 am

Meef Chaloin wrote:these two sites are very good, whatever instruments you play. Go through each page (should take less than a day) & you will get it:

www.zentao.com/guitar/theory/
www.musictheory.net/translations.html

thanks for posting that meef, did not check the first link yet but the second is amazingly put together.

nice dub too, listening to sniper now.

peace

d~

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:49 am

thanks DDas

Contra · Post by **Contra** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:51 am

props on this topic its much needed especially big up for mentionin mikey dread, tubby and scientist. ahh the classiques.

subbasshead · Post by **subbasshead** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:12 am

i just found this site, which has a collection of classic reggae riddims in MIDI form

http://baroquedub.co.uk/audio_riddims.php

alin55 · Post by **alin55** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:21 pm

subbasshead wrote:i just found this site, which has a collection of classic reggae riddims in MIDI form

http://baroquedub.co.uk/audio_riddims.php

excellent resource. thanks for this link.

zachislouder · Post by **zachislouder** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:09 am

Sorry to bump such an old thread, but I'll leave a tip that a friend gave to me... instead of having a dub song at a slow tempo like 65 bpm, make it 130. This will give more freedom when making drum tracks.

Contra, I like the Sythesiser Patel picture, btw

Jaberwookie · Post by **Jaberwookie** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:02 pm

4ace wrote:This won't help with basslines but i love dub and thought i'd mention dubstation by audiodamage.Simply the best dub delay i've ever used.

I take it you haven't tried UAD's Space Echo then? Eats the dubstation for breakfast.

Here's how I make my bass:

1976 Fender Precision with filthy old flat-round strings into Ampeg SVX bass amp plugin, through UAD's Helios Type 69 Eq.

Tasty.

OMI+NIK · Post by **OMI+NIK** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:17 pm

DeadlyKungFu wrote:Dub Station - Hooray!!

As for reggae guitar, I learned to play on the upbeat by focusing on playing the bass note on the '1' as a downstroke then hitting the chords on the upstroke, mostly the G-B-e strings, as I got the groove down I could leave out the bass note. Now I can play reggae grooves on the up or down beat, tons of fun once I got it. Also, a lot of reggae guitar is based on inversions, where the root note is on the high e string, so as you hit it on the upstroke the root note strikes first, Bob Marley uses a lot of those. Notice in this famous shot below.

This is an alright way to get the rhythm going, but actually with rydim guitar, down strokes are the way reggae guys do it. it's subtle enough to miss, but with the bass string hitting first it gives the chunk you're looking for if you want it rooted in rasta.
I learned this pretty quick in reggae bands i played with (so that i wouldn't sound so white)

!Jah+

Pitch Black · Post by **Pitch Black** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:09 am

There's a video here of how my partner Mike and I play live. The second half of it shows our approach to dub-mixing inside Ableton Live.

It was actually done for local TV instead of musicians as such, so its not super techy talk, but I hope you'll find it interesting from a dub mixing perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1siG6_Pd-Mg

cheers
paddy

OMI+NIK · Post by **OMI+NIK** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:51 pm

Pitch Black, all of your videos answer a lot of Abe Q's. Very kind of you to post the vids - Much Appreciated+