(OT): IN YER FACE BUSH! cant buy the supreme court

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Post by subterFUSE » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:10 pm

Going back to the heading of this thread, i think forge meant "buying the supreme court " by putting conservative shills in the positions of chief justice, and justice respectively, and by using their favors returned to balance the power of the judicial system in favor of a neo con agenda.

You are being a little ridiculous, here.

Any president, when given the opportunity to appoint a justice to the Supreme Court, is going to appoint someone who they agree with. If the president is a liberal, it should come as no surprise that they are going to appoint another liberal. But, even though they suggest someone for appointment, that person still must receive approval from the Senate.

You think John Roberts is a shill? Hmmm.... that's interesting. I wonder why he was confirmed by such an overwhelming majority? Half of the Democratic senators voted for him. But... wait, he is a conservative..... so you are right.... he is just a shill. He can't POSSIBLY be qualified, because he is just a conservative.... and they are just all wrong.... they are all evil, too. I heard that they eat their own children.


By the way... Roberts did not even vote on this latest issue.... and even if he did, it would not have changed the result.
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Post by stinky » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:12 pm

if that was directed at me, in my defence i'd just like to state that i wasn't taking sides, but i don't believe everything that i read, and i do think that the US government is just as evil as the "terrorists", in the same way that i think the catholic church is evil.

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Post by subterFUSE » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:17 pm

its funny how one side of the argument, cant or refuses to produce facts, evidence, sources..

Hatchets....

I'm glad you know how to use Google... and that you are so proud of yourself for it. But I don't think that because you can google and paste the results here that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Frankly, the same could be done on the other side of the argument... and it could go back and forth forever. It's not going to change anyone's mind, though.
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Post by stinky » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:22 pm

He can't POSSIBLY be qualified, because he is just a conservative.... and they are just all wrong.... they are all evil, too. I heard that they eat their own children.
What exactly, in your expert opinion, makes you think he is qualified? Maybe it's the fact that he was virtually unknown before your boy Bush put him in the spotlight? Maybe its the fact that he only served 2 years as a judge, before Bush's boys came up with the bright idea of handing this joker the top spot of Chief Justice? Maybe you just think he should be turning RoeVWade on it's ass asap makes him qualified enough?

Bottom line is.. the reason he was giving the top spot is simple. He's young and he gets to serve for life. Actually, i would like to know why you think this guy is even remotely qualified.

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Post by dj superflat » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:35 pm

i'm not much into the political debates here, but roberts is clearly qualified. even with only 2 years on the DC circuit bench -- the most prestigious court below the supremes -- roberts was already known as one of the brightest legal minds of his generation, worked on as many supreme court cases as about anyone, had all the right government jobs, etc. put simply, he may be young, but he's no clarence thomas (whose qualifications you could attack on any number of grounds).

here's the thing: o'connor came out of state legislature, some of the most famous justices (brennan?) came from state court benches, etc. it's only recently that we think supremes have to be rocket scientists who were already on the bench for a while. even by the current court's standards, roberts is well qualified. by historical standards, he's ridiculously well qualified (as is alito).

finally, assuming that republican presidents will appoint conservative judges -- and there's no reason to think they won't or shouldn't (from their own perspective) -- liberals should be pretty happy with alito and roberts, because neither is nearly so conservative as some of the other alternatives (lutig anyone?).

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Post by subterFUSE » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:39 pm

Stinky..... are you joking?



Perhaps you should check out John Roberts resume. He has had a distinguished legal career, and had worked previously for years in Appeals court and the Supreme court under William Rehnquist. He had also been Special Assistant to the Attorney General, Associate Counsil to the President during the Reagan administration... I could go on.

He is qualified for the job, and the Senate agreed overwhelmingly.... including half of the democrats who might have been expected to vote againt him just because of partisanship.

And.... just so you know about me.... I do not want Roe v Wade to be overturned. While I would call myself a conservative, I do not fall on that side of the fence for everything. I would say that on many social issues I side more with liberals... (examples, abortion, stem cell research) I am an athiest, too.
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Post by Hatchets McGee » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:43 pm

subterFUSE wrote: Hatchets....

I'm glad you know how to use Google... and that you are so proud of yourself for it. But I don't think that because you can google and paste the results here that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Frankly, the same could be done on the other side of the argument... and it could go back and forth forever. It's not going to change anyone's mind, though.
oh...so we should stay at your level then, hot headed one liners with absolutely nothing resembling fact or evidence to back it up ? we're not psychic, we dont know what you think, so you're going to have to elaborate on the things you say OR provide us with the material you gleen your knowledge from.

"Frankly, the same could be done on the other side of the argument... and it could go back and forth forever."
I would like you to do the same, for one thread why NOT exchange our notes, and assess the credibility of each source.

by all means, pick holes in the paper if you can.

what a cheap effort on your part, throughout the thread. You refuse to provide sources, you try and keep the debate in the gutter, and you criticise me for providing the material I'm reading ?....

come on, you've been little more then a simpleton with the things you;ve been saying. back it up with ANY sources you want. come on. I will provide worthy material for everything i say or assert, you wont. hot steam allround. :roll:
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Post by stinky » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:48 pm

had all the right government jobs
how long does it take to groom someone in the eyes of the public? The cons have been eyeing these nominations since getting voted into office. 6 years long enough?
liberals should be pretty happy with alito and roberts, because neither is nearly so conservative as some of the other alternatives (lutig anyone?).
Ah yes, the lesser of evils argument. That's nice.

Regardless, i find it disconcerting that anyone can hold they're position for 'life.', under any circumstances, in any position. I think that's really what burns me up, and that needs to change, because in effect, it allows policy to be effected as legacy long after any politician should have the right to retain power.

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Post by astronmr20 » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:35 pm

So...

How about posting some of your own ideas?



What is this? A socialist manifesto? An anti-war paper? It seems to be neither. It talks in circles, and it's conclusion has nothing to do about opposing the coalition occupation of Iraq, but rather something about improving the lives of workers.

As with music, try to avoid "cut/paste."

(edit) I apologize; it seems I was responding to a post at the end of the previous page. My mistake.

In any event, if that's what Meef really beleives, I'd like to hear it from him.


But really... whatever evidence or opinion is presented from EITHER side here... can't we agree that really no one's mind has ever been changed by these threads?

And again, I would ask that you all support the idea of an O/T forum on this board. These politcal threads are hot, and keep getting pushed to the top of the heap for that reason, bumping out other threads about Live.

I'd like to discuss more but this is madness as part of the "general" category on a music creation website.
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Post by djadonis206 » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:40 pm

astronmr20 wrote:So...



As with music, try to avoid "cut/paste."
As with music try to avoid "cut/paste." <----- who made that up? I love cutting and pasting and duplicating and cutting and pasting and duplicating and cutting and pasting and duplicating and cutting and pasting and duplicating and cutting and pasting and duplicating and cutting and pasting and duplicating and cutting and pasting and duplicating

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Post by hambone1 » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:43 pm

F'kin GREAT 15 mile blast through the forest with blazing hot sunshine, beers, girlfriend, and tunes blasting from the Camelbak.

And not once did we stop to ponder and debate John Roberts' qualification criteria, or the New World Order.

Gonna be up to 90F tomorrow... :D

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Post by astronmr20 » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:11 pm

[quote="hambone1"]F'kin GREAT 15 mile blast through the forest with blazing hot sunshine, beers, girlfriend, and tunes blasting from the Camelbak.

And not once did we stop to ponder and debate John Roberts' qualification criteria, or the New World Order.

Gonna be up to 90F tomorrow... :D[/quote



Sounds like a welcome vacation to me, Hambone!

Americans are on holiday most of this week.. Tomorrow I'm going hiking with a camelback and a few beers myself!
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Post by Hatchets McGee » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:14 pm

ppppfffffffffffffffffff!!!

useless cunts.

let this be a lesson to anyone frequenting the forum who is concerned about important issues, theres no point trying to discuss something with the pro-bush demograph here.

out like a trout.
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Post by dj superflat » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:17 pm

i too went mountain biking with the camelbak, some rock climbing next. if there were some easy way to record music outside i'd be much happier.

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Post by hambone1 » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:17 pm

Vacation? It's my normal everyday life now! :D

IMO, life's too short for all this depressing negativity and seriousness. I for one am thankful to be living in a safe society, free to do more or less whatever I want, as long as what I do doesn't adversely affect the rights of others.

And if it takes a neo-conservative government to supply that safety and security, that's OK by me. Sometimes you just gotta look at the big picture, and take the good with the bad.

Enjoy your hike!

Hatchett - here ya go, dude... have at it! >>> http://www.debatepolitics.com/

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