Final request on Dummy Clips & Envelope Generator

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:00 am

This request is a merge between the much talked about Dummy
Clips and (LFO) Envelope Generator..

The idea is that you would have a device that acts as a remote
controller that accepts envelope data from midi clips and also accepts audio(waves)clips
and transforms them into an envelope..
Also this device should host some LFO's to manually create/shape envelopes..

The midi and audio clips can be hosted in a dedicated remote track..
So the device can be fed by 3 sources; midi clips/ audio clips/ lfo,
and outputs (in this mock-up) 8 different envelopes..

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The MIDI and KEY mapping would be extended by a 3rd option; REMOTE mapping..
You will be able to choose an automation signal from the 8 different
remote channels..

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:36 pm

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:45 pm

posts like this make me suspect there's whole world full of live/DAW functionality i'm not aware of or using properly (because i can't really even understand why you'd want what you're suggesting). is there some current workaround that would help me understand what you're suggesting? that is, why would i want an audio clip to serve as a source in the way you suggest? and if it's a cool thing to do, how do i do it now? thx.

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:59 pm

dj superflat wrote:posts like this make me suspect there's whole world full of live/DAW functionality i'm not aware of or using properly (because i can't really even understand why you'd want what you're suggesting). is there some current workaround that would help me understand what you're suggesting? that is, why would i want an audio clip to serve as a source in the way you suggest? and if it's a cool thing to do, how do i do it now? thx.

if you want to know how the 'work-arround' dummy clips work, take a look in the 'Tips and tricks' forum; it's explained very well..

about my request;
it started with a prior request I did;

ok; the audio wave > envelope request was maybe a bit too much,
but I strongly believe that if such a device was added to Live it would expand Live's possebilities by 200%..

1. Performing
you only have 2 hands.. so it would be very nice that you can automate certain proceses,
without the need of drawing envelopes..

2. Composing
You find lfo's traditionally on synths, modulating filter/pitch/panning, etc..
But when I work in Reaktor, Reason or even my MS-20,
I use lfo's for alot of other modulations; and that's where the fun begins..
Then things start to happen that you wouldn't think of, things that inspire..

Does anyone knows how Simpler sounds when a 1/16th sine lfo modulates Sample Start,
a 1/4th S&H lfo modulates Sample Length,
a 1/8T square lfo modulates the Amp Release followed by a Ping Pong delay with even more lfo modulations attacking it?
Probably not cause it's hell drawing those envelopes,
let's not even talk about gently adjusting them..

lfo modulation can really change the way you're approaching your musical process..

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:30 pm

thx, gotcha. i already use dummy clips, just didn't get what you were getting at. (one of the reasons i like reaktor is using LFOs to mess with everything.)

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:31 pm

i asked in your other post on this re envelope generator: is there any way to use operator currently as an envelope generator for other fx/impulse/simpler with some sort of work around?

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:00 pm

dj superflat wrote:i asked in your other post on this re envelope generator: is there any way to use operator currently as an envelope generator for other fx/impulse/simpler with some sort of work around?

no..
none of Live's devices can send midi information (exept the midi plugs)..

and Live cannot receive midi from any other plug either..

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:33 pm

2 days till launch time..

ich bin gespannt

xuoham · Post by **xuoham** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:10 pm

Poster, i really agree with your feature request, i also want it very much and i love the way you presented it. This "generator" makes me drool, so much that i was really convinced that something like this would come out of Live6. It looks like a great update but i'm disappointed that this is missing. One of Live's orientations i love most is the controlled randomness and modulation. I thought the new brew would go also deeper in this direction. The unlinked envelopes concept is definitely great, but it would be so much better either with "dummy clips", as you say.or with "remote" tracks. Too bad... next update?
Nice one...
edit: forgot also to mention about random modulation of any parameter, as you suggest. Mmmmmm if only any parameter would be rendomly modulable, like the filter or pan, etc... in impulse! <sigh>

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:39 pm

Poster wrote:
and Live cannot receive midi from any other plug either..

what? i use µtonic's step sequencer to trigger stuff all the time.

not to take away from your request though, i still think it's a good one.

.lm.

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:07 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:
Poster wrote:
and Live cannot receive midi from any other plug either..

what? i use µtonic's step sequencer to trigger stuff all the time.

not to take away from your request though, i still think it's a good one.

.lm.

excusez moi..
I meant midi CC#

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:09 pm

xuoham wrote:Poster, i really agree with your feature request, i also want it very much and i love the way you presented it. This "generator" makes me drool, so much that i was really convinced that something like this would come out of Live6. It looks like a great update but i'm disappointed that this is missing. One of Live's orientations i love most is the controlled randomness and modulation. I thought the new brew would go also deeper in this direction. The unlinked envelopes concept is definitely great, but it would be so much better either with "dummy clips", as you say.or with "remote" tracks. Too bad... next update?
Nice one...
edit: forgot also to mention about random modulation of any parameter, as you suggest. Mmmmmm if only any parameter would be rendomly modulable, like the filter or pan, etc... in impulse! <sigh>

the workarround for me is Reaktor

I use this one for general use..
15 CC# outs that can be fed by 6 lfo's..
2 lfo's sources can be mixed per CC# out..
the name of the destination can be typed into the grey bar

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and this one I build specially for controlling Impulse, totally in Live's looks so it feels more as an integrated Live device.. [under constant cunstruction to add other ideas]

this side is a sequencer with
-normal sequencer
-added triplets sequencer that goes up to 64t
-2 modulation sequencers that (randomly)modulate the note sequence..

the other site hosts;
-dedicated lfo's for Impulse's most important features, per slot..
-lfo's have controls for; symmetry, panorama, etc..

xuoham · Post by **xuoham** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:24 pm

Nice idea, indeed!
Is it CPU hungry for you?

Thanks!

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:27 pm

xuoham wrote:Nice idea, indeed!
Is it CPU hungry for you?

Thanks!

not at all..
3-5%
depends on how much CC violence is attacking the knobs

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:18 pm

Wow, Poster!

Nice Reaktor work. These aren't mock-ups are they? They do exist for real? Are you sharing?

Regards,
Mikael