live techno sucks - discuss (please, this is not a troll!)

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:33 pm

techno is the new jazz? Missed that meeting.

I know, there is more behind what's being said, but still it sounds silly.

Actually listen to some jazz fusion or world music then try and tell me
techno has even a passing relation to this hugely different and living style
of music.

Ok Ok.... Instrumental, no vocals, whatever..... maybe the historical
context, the breaking free from the norm.....

Still....

-Ben

dancing Ray · Post by **dancing Ray** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:49 pm

You can put three or four jazz musicians on a stage, let them play and it will sound like jazz ... it is jazz.
You can put three or four techno musicians on a stage, let them play.. it is techno.

Sure, it is only one aspect but we did talk about live-techno, didn´t we.

Actually listen to some jazz fusion or world music then try and tell me
techno has even a passing relation to this hugely different and living style
of music.

I studied jazz music for four years and my "chief-prof." ("Baby" Sommer, a worldwide acknowledged free improvisation musician

) always said: "You have to feel the quarter pulse, play around it, but it has to be clear."
Where do you have a quarter pulse more clear then in techno music?

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:41 pm

Yeah ok I stand corrected.....

A guy on a laptop playing techno loops over and over is the new jazz

Sorry just have to stab at it..... I understand where it comes from in a
way..... but there really is very little connection between what jazz has
become and what techno live or otherwise is or can be.

Put 4 musicians on a stage in a metal band..... So is techno the new metal?

-Ben

dancing Ray · Post by **dancing Ray** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:38 pm

A guy on a laptop playing techno loops over and over is the new jazz Smile

No, no, no no, no! It´s three skilled guys with instruments (i.e. laptop) playing techno that may interact like a jazz trio. On a musical level that is as high as that of the jazz musicians.

Four musicians in a metal band are obviously a metal band.

[/quote]but there really is very little connection between what jazz has
become and what techno live or otherwise is or can be.

I´m not into latest jazz admittedly, all I want to say is that it takes as good musicians to play good live techno as it takes to play good live jazz.

Take into account the thing with the studio used live. I saw Jojo Mayer recently playing drum&bass live with his drumset + band in concert. Two remarkeble things for me: 1st - the music would have done in a club as well as for concert (at least half of the time, which is seldom for "real instrument" live-acts, ´cause you have to have the intrument skills and know the music) and 2nd - the mixer was declared as a band member. So it was a quartet and not a trio.

dancing Ray · Post by **dancing Ray** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:40 pm

sorry didn´t get the quotes correct.

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:58 pm

awesome thread. i was originally using live as DAW, then as way to mess with guitar live (solo), now drifting into using all various parts of my recorded songs triggered live to see where it gets me, took one song live somewhere so far from where it started i honestly can't really figure out how it got there even listening to the mix. in short, i've gotten over my bias towards "playing" an instrument = live vs. remixing/tweaking preexisting bits while adding new = legitimate. and, as a reformed jazz player, i think the comparison to jazz is valid in that, leaving aside solos, the beauty of jazz is modular variation, which is what live is all about.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:01 pm

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