Next beta arrived! Live 5.0.3b6!

jethrosipho · Post by **jethrosipho** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:25 am

On a powerbook G4 1.67 1.5 ram, having issues with Loop punch/recording region jumping to 4 bar increment with a variety of actions in Arrangement view (i.e. zooming, selecting clips and trying to loop them, pressing play)

Re: cubase working great...hahahahahaha...that's a good one.

Thank you Ableton for continually trying to make this a better software.

J

amo · Post by **amo** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:28 am

Cryptic UK wrote: how come cubase works perfect?

Isn't it on their forum that MIDI is pointed like written too early or something ?

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:33 pm

No, Cubase SX 3.1 is probably most stable piece of software I own, not everyone has issues with it.

amo · Post by **amo** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:37 pm

Tarekith wrote:No, Cubase SX 3.1 is probably most stable piece of software I own, not everyone has issues with it.

oops, sorry about my previous post, first for posting inconsistent things regarding the beta on that thread, and then for the comment... It was late night and I was only refering to a giant thread I've seen on cubase forum, but that's not the place to discuss it.
btw, not everyone has issues with Live either

Kind regards,

amo

Cryptic UK · Post by **Cryptic UK** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:34 pm

Hi Alex,

Is there any chance that you will be adding AAC support? as lots of people use macs and also people on windows use itunes aswell and lots people have ipods and its a better format than mp3, theres alot of people on forum who want it.......... blah blah blah

surely this would not be a big problem

come on, it makes sense.

thanks

Cryptic sense.

atom_b · Post by **atom_b** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:15 pm

Aton wrote: And my New computer is FAST!!!
I'm crossing my fingers that the next beta is a homerun!

Fast is OK, but chances are that this is an issue with your audio interface resp. its driver's quality. Before I started with setting up entirely on x86 computers to record and perform I did my research. Then I decided on using RME stuff only, for these give the best hardware and a second to none driver quality to have - not to mention the A/D quality itself. From what I experienced with other setups and read in ngs, I surely stay away from pain with my choice.

Audio operation is smooth. Rare occurences of crackles are in session mode when certain VSTi or fx are involved. Pure Live setups do never crackle with me.

This is not to say, there might not be any Live related problems with certain hardware configurations, but first for me is to crosscheck my hard- and software and OS configuration (against different flavours like Sampltude, Nintendo, Logic or the like, and then therein using the same instruments and fx which I think are the pitfalls on my audio route), then I go on and try to blame Live.

I am using this tool for years now with my everyday work on rehersal and on stage and it never seriously failed me thruogh the various versions, not once. And believe you me, I'm giving to it loads to digest.

Still there are annoyances (like the arpeggiators triggering till doomsday built-in fx while the world stopped turning decades ago). I look at it this way: Since ableton decided on integrating Midi and instruments they are facing more bugs with every new major release, instead of less, now and will be facing more in the future. Only, I always have in mind who the people are who started this project, musicians with a clear understanding of what is needed and what not. This way they created an absolutely unique workbench for audio workers and the best interface in audio applications ever. They still run the development, so I'm quite confident, Live sits at the musicians' side of the table.

It's a paradox within the freedom of owning your productivity tools as a musician that you need to be more of a technician than anyone who's just using other people's facilities. But if you take on the burdon of a producer's part, you're far better off with the benefits from it - not the least as an artist. Revolution is tough

Thank You for listening, peace!
BV

illsub1 · Post by **illsub1** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:36 am

I absolutely love Live and use both Nuendo and Live equally. Nuendo is about 4 times more efficient of an engine and editwise. This occurs when the track counts are high. I very much hope Ableton improves their code so I can run as many tracks and VSTs at low latencies like I can in Nuendo!!! This would make me very happy!

atom_b · Post by **atom_b** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:22 am

illsub1 wrote: I very much hope Ableton improves their code so I can run as many tracks and VSTs at low latencies like I can in Nuendo!!! This would make me very happy!

I would rather prefer to keep editing in Arr mode simple, if added features tend to increase overall cost in performance, partly at least, they did with versions 4 and 5.
And otherwise, like with every new year's eve, I wish for a better sounding audio engine in the new year, especially since for me Live 5 brought itself into competition as a recording tool, too bad it then is behind when it comes to audio quality.

One last thing: For mobility reasons - like film scoring on the road

- and for work on stage too I'd like pure and clean video capabilities, natively as plugin from within Live, just plain video playing in sync, nothing else!

Have Y'all a fresh wind in the new year!

djsynchro · Post by **djsynchro** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:28 pm

atom_b wrote:
illsub1 wrote: too bad it then is behind when it comes to audio quality.

This statement is based on... what? Are you comparing timestretched audio with non-timestretched audio perhaps? You don't HAVE to use the timewarping feature, and if you need higher fidelity you can use specialised software like Melodyne for higher quality (but off-line) timestretching.
If you are talking about the internal signal path I think you are talking out of your ****. Live's internal signal path is 32bit float (same as for example the VST spec) which has a dynamic range of more than 1500db (!) The only things left to do for higher fidelity: You can crank up the sample rate if you like, get a soundcard with better converters, or use different plugins if you don't like the SOUND of the Live plugins.
What it has to do with the signal path of the mixer I don't see, more importantly, don't HEAR.

Just my opinion though.

zappen · Post by **zappen** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:58 pm

atom_b wrote:One last thing: For mobility reasons - like film scoring on the road ;-) - and for work on stage too I'd like pure and clean video capabilities, natively as plugin from within Live, just plain video playing in sync, nothing else!

live 5 already have performance issues, managing video on computer is a resources hog, even for simple tasks, i don't think live is mature for built-in video yet.

justin · Post by **justin** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:53 am

djsynchro wrote:What it has to do with the signal path of the mixer I don't see, more importantly, don't HEAR.

neither do i.

but then again, i dont have great monitors.

also please leave video out... I understand that its frustrating for ppl working in animation/video. but from personal experience, it is too much to ask from most computers. maybe later when we all have 4 CPU with decent OS.

besides, Live is classified as a "live" music tool. not a video player or editor...

atom_b · Post by **atom_b** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:03 am

djsynchro wrote: This statement is based on... what? ...
Just my opinion though.

Based on ears, friendly fellow, based on ears - and as far as technical opinions are concerned (I wasn't talking about warping, was I?) every mixer and whatsoever move reduces the headroom of even 32bit float drastically, and pretty quick you find your listening experience where algorithms come into play (and the quality of these by the way make melodyne superior in timestreching compared to Live). Or to put it the technical way, in case you prefer not to trust your ears: Your 1500db will quickly go down the drain.
Just do a simple test and listen and compare: What you get out of Live just using Volume, Gain and the like and what from for instnce Samplitude using the exact same values. Again for the technician: Every move is computed.

I love Live since its first day on earth, only the abletons have optimized their audio engine once, and they are able to do it again, when the cpu cost allows them too.

justin wrote:also please leave video out.

A native Live plugin would do without coming into the way of anybody. I too would avoid making a VJ tool out of this beautiful peace of software.