Totally frustrated. Live 5 doesn't record program changes.

[tomperson]

Two days ago I did a really interesting improvised set (out of scratch) of about 1 hour., and recorded it. I changed patches in my VSTi instruments several times during the performance...When I heard the set the next day...bam! it was ruined...no program change had been recorded. I thought it would.

I guess it's a limitation of live, I haven't investigated.

I felt miserable. My experimental set was ruined.

[Nod]

Two days ago I did a really interesting improvised set (out of scratch) of about 1 hour., and recorded it. I changed patches in my VSTi instruments several times during the performance...When I heard the set the next day...bam! it was ruined...no program change had been recorded. I thought it would.

I guess it's a limitation of live, I haven't investigated.

I felt miserable. My experimental set was ruined.

Dude - buy a Studer half inch and tape it the old fashioned way

Seriously tho' there are some very odd issues as regards PC and, more importantly to me, MIDI CC passthrough in v5 that are really bugging me - so I feel your pain It's kinda hard to get experimental on the fly when you need to assign CC's via the Live interface rather than the one's already built into the plug/instrument. We also need CC's in session view....hold on this is turning into my post from the Feature Request section again...

[tomperson]

Thanks man.

Deep inside me, I guess I kinda knew this was going to happen, but didn't want to start investigating at that moment, I wanted to PLAY!!!

There's a VST recorder plugin, could someone remind me of its name?

[amo]

Thanks man.

Deep inside me, I guess I kinda knew this was going to happen, but didn't want to start investigating at that moment, I wanted to PLAY!!!

There's a VST recorder plugin, could someone remind me of its name?

Total recorder ?

[Nod]

Thanks man. Deep inside me, I guess I kinda knew this was going to happen, but didn't want to start investigating at that moment, I wanted to PLAY!!!

Yeah...like, er, LIVE in Live

There's a VST recorder plugin, could someone remind me of its name?

There a few - but this one's free and not too bad.

http://www.silverspike.com/?Products:TapeIt

[Angstrom]

it seems rediculous really doesn't it.

A sequencer that doesnt record program changes or assigned midi conrtollers.

it baffles me why they haven't fixed this - it's beyond a bug, it's perverse.

[tomperson]

Yeah, TapeIT, there's another one here:

http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/

Thanks for sharing my pain, I thought this should be quite an obvious functionality for a live instrument, shouldn't it?

Bump.

[Clearscreen]

why do you need a vst recorder? isn't it easier to resample the master output into a live clip in arrangement?

you could use something like audacity (on pc anyway) to record the master output completely independently (if you're using directx drivers). the advantage in this is if live craps out and crashes it doesn't take the recording from the vst plugin or resample down with it.

[tomperson]

Yeah, you're right!!! Don't know why I didn't think of resampling...I know lots of people here use a separate VST for that, dunno why...

[Chris J]

WHAT ?
Live is not recording Prog Changes ?
So far I've never used them in Live, but there's always a day when you need them,
FUCK ! why is that ??? they're in the MIDI protocole since day 1, all midi apps record prog changes, my 20 year old atari records prog changes, even my commodore C64 recorded prog changes !

[Machinate]

Yeah, you're right!!! Don't know why I didn't think of resampling...I know lots of people here use a separate VST for that, dunno why...

Because if you hit stop, tweak something, and then press play again, you'd have to start another recording. TapeIt is good that way, since you just leave it running in the background.

[tomperson]

WHAT ?
Live is not recording Prog Changes ?
So far I've never used them in Live, but there's always a day when you need them,
FUCK ! why is that ??? they're in the MIDI protocole since day 1, all midi apps record prog changes, my 20 year old atari records prog changes, even my commodore C64 recorded prog changes !

Drop your favourite VSTi, start recording in arrangement, change the presets while you play. Now, hit play. NOt a single program change recorded.

AWFUL.

[Nod]

Drop your favourite VSTi, start recording in arrangement, change the presets while you play. Now, hit play. NOt a single program change recorded.

AWFUL.

Yeah it's grim - I hate to bitch but in fact the whole MIDI thing really needs looking at. Everything from, especially, timing to PC & CC. The main beef I've got is still CC's. They were at least automatically passed thru to the instrument in v4 - in v5 it seems you have to assign all non standard CC's thru the interface.

To explain: let's say you have a bog standard softsynth that accepts standard controllers for cutoff, resonance, ADSR etc. In v4 you could load that synth and you'd immediately have control of those parameters assuming you'd set up your controller to send them out - no assignments through the interface were required. Now in v5 the only CC's I can get to 'pass through' directly are Volume and Modulation. Maybe it's just me I dunno - but I've been doing using MIDI for 15 years so I do have some vague ideas as to what I'm supposed to be doing.

Various good suggestions have been made as regards this - including somehow making use of the new LiveClip format to store a synth/FXt with the mappings intact. That way we'd only have to set it up the once rather than every time. Imagine being able to drop an instrument/effect into a track live and be able to instantly control the parameters you want - sounds a bit like that sequencing instrument paradigm doesn't it?

I've every faith that the Abe's will sort it, and when they do it will rock, but time is moving on here - almost 2 months since an update now and things that worked, for me at least, in the previous version still aren't fixed. Hopefully there will be something under the Christmas tree!