how to automate CC's within ableton

gia · Post by **gia** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:59 am

hey ryan,

When a CC is assigned in MIDI map mode (ex.: CC1 to the master fader...) , well my MIDI clip does not receive its signal. Seems the signal is 'used' for MIDI map, and does'nt make it to my MIDI track.

thanks again

ryansupak · Post by **ryansupak** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:22 am

the workaround would be to double the MIDI input -- in other words, send it in once via the device, and send it in again via IAC Driver or MIDIOX, and see if the problem persists.

Jujst out of curiosity -- what version of live on which OS?

rs

gia · Post by **gia** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:34 am

I use version 5.0.1 under XP. My remote is a fcb 1010. I use an usb midi device. I use bome MIDI translator and MIDI yoke as a virtual midi plugs.

In think I just thought why my double input was not one... lets see

gia · Post by **gia** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:00 pm

I doubled the signal in bome, before it got to live

I had 333 ms of pure happiness. I saw the knob turn, I saw the signal getting to the midi track. And then I got this 'Midi feedback detected- Midi yoke 2 disabled'.

I was close... I'll keep trying

gia · Post by **gia** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:28 pm

I GOT IT!

I disabeled the remote in my primary midi input and it worked. This is a huuuge trick you showed us here, pardner!

Jf

ryansupak · Post by **ryansupak** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:40 pm

glad to hear it

i'm working on a way to make the same thing happen with MIDI notes, but there are more limitations there.

DJ_DIRTY_D · Post by **DJ_DIRTY_D** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:13 am

Hi,

I understand the principle of how it work but I still can't get the midi indicator out light in ableton to flash. Does it work with live 4 ? Can this be used with simpler ?

Former Pharaoh · Post by **Former Pharaoh** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:08 am

For Christ's sake this is driving me nuts!!!

INPUTS:

1) I have Midi Yoke and my Evolution controller set as "Input" devices under "Track" and "Remote"

2) I have Midi Yoke set as an "Input" device under "Remote"

OUTPUTS:

1) I have Midi Yoke set as an "Output" under "Track"

REMOTE CONTROL SURFACES:

1) I have my Evolution controller and Midi Yoke set as "Inputs"

2) I have Midi Yoke set as an "Output"

What am i missing????Any help would be greatly appreciated as i really want to get this working.

Former Pharaoh · Post by **Former Pharaoh** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:04 pm

*bump*

gia · Post by **gia** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:44 pm

Pharoah, disable your evolution input as a remote.

Former Pharaoh · Post by **Former Pharaoh** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:51 pm

gia wrote:Pharoah, disable your evolution input as a remote.

Still not working.

ryansupak · Post by **ryansupak** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:23 pm

hm...I don't have a PC to test this on; I think maybe something is subtly different?

sorry, maybe a PC user can chime in here.

gia · Post by **gia** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:00 am

Pharoah, could you describe what happens with your current setup?

Two more things to try:

Double your input signal in Bome translator (input:controller output: midi yoke 1 AND thru). Your midi automation track'input is midi yoke 1, the output midi yoke 2.

Thought of that: Midi tracks don't accept control values above 99. Check if your CC value is lower than that.

Hang on! you are probably a few hours away of recording clip automation

Former Pharaoh · Post by **Former Pharaoh** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:38 am

waaaaaait a minute....... Are you telling me i need to use Bome's translator? I can't just use Midi Yoke directly?
Now i am confused

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:20 am

you don't need midi translator for this, midi yoke does all you need on pc.

have a look at this image:
http://www.grovestreet.com/servlet/View ... 6030&cd=57
and see if it helps.

i haven't got any controllers on me, so i made a dummy one out of track one - in real life you'd have the input of track two set as coming from your controller, and there would be no track one in my example. to record the midi input from your controller you would record into track two and then trigger the clip and let it loop in auto input mode. you should be able to still use all your controllers (including any you're playing back out of a recorded clip) if you use auto mode even when you're playing clips.
in this example the input is assigned to the master volume fader using CC19 with a saw envelope. remember you have 16 midi channels with 16 midi yokes, meaning up to 256 possible control destinations for every knob you have on your controller. if you map things right you can use the midi routing in live to control a boatload of stuff with one knob, and mute the input tracks on and off as you go to change it's function.

hope this makes sense, it's a pretty handy trick for automating stuff live, and generally works really well