SERIOUS BUG IN 5.02 FOLLOW ACTION

Eraldo Bernocchi · Post by **Eraldo Bernocchi** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:12 pm

I just found a serious bug concerning follow action in version 5.02.
follow action duration settings are working only with a minimum of 1 bar.
ie. if i want to launch a clip and stop it after 1/4 this is no longer possible.

this is not happening in version 5.01.

g5 dp1.8, 1.5 gig ram.osx 10.3.9, digi 002

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:20 pm

It seems you have to set the clip launch quantise to less than a bar to have follow actions also fire less than a bar, pretty strange.

Eraldo Bernocchi · Post by **Eraldo Bernocchi** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:56 pm

txs man, but it's not like this...much worst...
i've got clip launch set to 1 bar.
if i set the clip follow action to 1/4 and then stop the clip
goes on anyway for one full bar...
same settings in 5.01 and the clip stops exactly after 1/4

weird...

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:45 am

Apparently that this is normal behaviour, I just checked back in the manual and on page 141 (section 11.3 Clip level quantisation), it says "Note that any setting other than 'global' or 'none' will quantise the clip's launch when it is triggered by follow actions."

So basically you have to set your clip quantise value to 'global' and your global quantise to 1 bar and your problem should disappear.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:23 pm

Why not just set the clip quantization to "none" ?
That solves your problem.
Select all the clips. And hit shift+tabkey.
That way you can set the desired (lowest) clip quantization for all clips in one time.

Cheers

blank · Post by **blank** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:23 pm

WOHOOOOOOOO!!!!

i'm not alone in my dark room with that problem.

shit...

thx for the solution

Eraldo Bernocchi · Post by **Eraldo Bernocchi** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:08 pm

txs to all for suggestions.
will be back to my studio in two days and try all suggestions.
txs again

Comfy · Post by **Comfy** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:00 pm

Having the same problem here too........

Me thinks its bugged!!!!
Nothing works under 1 Bar in the "Follow Action Time"

In fact it only works with Bars, and nothin in between!!!!

"1.2.1" in the follow action time now becomes 2 bars

This didnt happen in Live 4 ..... Ive just tried it!

Major Problem

HELP ME

Comfy · Post by **Comfy** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:47 pm

This is what is says in the manual:

"Note that a Follow Action happens EXACTLY after the duration that is specified by the Follow Action Time controls unless clip quantization is set to a value OTHER than "None" or "Global". Follow Actions circumvent global quantization but not clip quantization"

Looks like im back to L4 untill this gets fixed........

GUTTED

Eraldo Bernocchi · Post by **Eraldo Bernocchi** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:37 pm

you're deadly right!
it's all about bars. no other setting works. but version 5.01 (remember i'm on mac osx so i have no idea if this applies to pc too) works perfectly.

i'm back there for the moment. hopefully they'll fix it soon.

Comfy · Post by **Comfy** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:39 pm

Yup..... Im running it on a PC

Went from Live 4 straight to 5.02 so didnt get to try 5.01

Comfy · Post by **Comfy** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:01 pm

Is this happening to anyone else at all?

5.02 version

Cheers

ingo · Post by **ingo** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:05 pm

hi,

5.01 has unintentionally changed
how follow action quantization is done.
5.02 restores the 4.0 behaviour.
sorry for the inconveniences.

kind regards,

ingo

Comfy · Post by **Comfy** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:19 pm

Odd that, because my version of Live 5 (5.02) is not behaving like my version of Live 4(4.1.2)

According to Eraldo Bernocchi, 5.01 was working fine, and working the same as Live 4

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:45 pm

The Follow Actions Dilema
-----------------------------

The follow actions in Live 4 where quite buggy.
They did run out of sync under some conditions,
they sometimes fired clips at the wrong quanisation
interval and other unpleasant oddities.

Unfortunately one missbehaviour also found its way in
the manual, probably due to the fact that
the person who wrote this part of the manual
just checked the (odd) behaviour of the software
and described it.

This is how it should be:

Follow Actions trigger clips
after the specified follow time,
or they stop the current clip and do nothing.

Triggering a clip via a follow action is
exactly the same as triggering the clip
manually / per MIDI.

This is the most simple and straight forward
rule and this is what we had in mind when
doing it.

The fact that a clip with a quantisation
set to "Global" behaves like "None" only for
follow actions but not for triggering manually
is not very intuitive and a bug.

This is why we changed it for Live 5.

Unfortunately we also changed something else
accidentialy: The follow action "Stop" now
triggers the global stop button instead just stopping
the clip and this is also quite unintuitive.

This is a 5.02 bug and will be reverted in 5.03

The Live 4 behaviour ( "Global" means
"None" ) can be achived in 503 by setting the global
quantisation to None.

Robert Henke
Ableton