Where exactly did I say that they were subhuman? You are putting words into my mouth.
Do you actually consider that a blessing? They're economic situations wouldn't be so poor if we all payed a little more attention to our government's policies and a little less attention to cable.pennies per hour job of stitching running shoes is considered a blessing.
That's bullshit.. i don't hate america.. i hate empirical policies from any government that deterministically subjugate others to a life of poverty, where their only means to really better themselves is to illegally "repatriate" themselves and subject themselves to inhuman situations. You know what it's like for people living refugee in Australia? These are people trying to get themselves out of their situation like adonis said, but it's not that easy. Adonis is only considering the minority that actually make it to be able to have the opportunity to work illegally for however breif a period, and hopefully get the opportunity to educate themselves.You want to talk about propaganda, most of you are so brainwashed you can't even adequately explain why you hate America, you just do.
Then you have the ability to reach out to alot of people and help them realize that's it's ok to criticize. It's alright to have revolutionary ideas that aren't a part of the status quo, and that help society instead of hold it back.if you are using live to make dance music or rock and roll, also American.
So you're saying these people that work 14hrs a day/7 days a week and will never have the opportunities that you have should just be losers, only because of where they were born?If you sit on your ass and expect the world to give you everything you're going to be one of the losers.
Instead of working 14 hour days why don't they go to school - they can do, they may have to sacrifice but they can do it - people do it all the timestinky wrote:So you're saying these people that work 14hrs a day/7 days a week and will never have the opportunities that you have should just be losers, only because of where they were born?If you sit on your ass and expect the world to give you everything you're going to be one of the losers.
I'm not a socialist. But, i don't believe in capitalism, i.e. the law of the jungle. We came out of the trees. We can think and communicate our ideas to each other, for the betterment of others... not to hold others down, so that we can line our pockets.
I'm not preaching here. I just feel that most people aren't willing to see the ignorance in our social policies, and affect positive change in them, but instead entrust them to corrupt corporate shills like our dearly departed Kenny.
Again.... Did I say I thought it was a blessing?
Please go back and read.
pennies per hour job of stitching running shoes is considered a blessing.
Are you fucking kidding me, adonis? What "they" are you talking about? And who is going to feed "their" family? You're not thinking that these opportunities are not present for them in their environment. We're not talking about some dopehead working at McD's because he's too lazy to get a job. Ever been to South America? Ever seen the sweatshops and conditions our multinational companies have been so curteous to give these people.. the blessing to their economy.Instead of working 14 hour days why don't they go to school - they can do, they may have to sacrifice but they can do it - people do it all the time
Get a technical degree, or at least a GED - a lot of people, immigrant and otherwise don't realise what opportunities. They think they have to stay stuck in that crappy job when the fact of the matter is they don't
Well we have two schools of thought - I've been to a third world country and it's a sad sad sad place but we're talking about America herestinky wrote:Are you fucking kidding me, adonis? What "they" are you talking about? And who is going to feed "their" family? You're not thinking that these opportunities are not present for them in their environment. We're not talking about some dopehead working at McD's because he's too lazy to get a job. Ever been to South America? Ever seen the sweatshops and conditions our multinational companies have been so curteous to give these people.. the blessing to their economy.Instead of working 14 hour days why don't they go to school - they can do, they may have to sacrifice but they can do it - people do it all the time
Get a technical degree, or at least a GED - a lot of people, immigrant and otherwise don't realise what opportunities. They think they have to stay stuck in that crappy job when the fact of the matter is they don't
That's ours as well, because the US keeps promoting these governments, even as we speak. Haiti is a prime example.the people can stand up and demand and the government can shoot them down - that's their business
Actually, the subject was America's policies and why do people hate america. It was mentioned that america hater's keep hating but without valid reasons. I'm playing devil's advocate and dropping tons of names, info's, references, etc.I'm talking about America here though
Again, i don't hate america, i just like to read alot and know that alot of what people believe is incorrect, and it's not their fault, it's years and years of brainwashing.
That's so nice of you, but that's not my intent either. I think a little healthy debate never hurt anyone.. these personal attacks on me and others aren't really conducive to the discussing the merits of the debate.. the thing i find most troubling is, i keep bringing more and more references to the table and validating my points with documented facts and you all seem to get frustrated at some point because your only debating with propaganda, insinuation and the like, and eventually you fold and start attacking my sanity, capabilites, intelligence, yadda yadda.And we are all so lucky to have you to unwash our brains for us, Stinky. Wink
No offense Adonis, cause I really do love you, but how "hard" do you work? I mean, you must spend half your work hours on this board.djadonis206 wrote: I don't think like a communist. I want to keep all I work for, if I have a surplus of shit I don't need, I'll give it away - but how did I get to the point of being able to give, I worked for it.