snakedogman wrote:I've only done 2 mixes with live so far (techno/progressive kind of stuff). I'd say for 95% of the track I only use one marker at 1.1.1. If that's the case I can warp a track in 20 seconds or so.
Sometimes though, even dance tracks are kinda fluctuating in tempo so for the hard ones I do the loop approach and setting markers every 4, 8 or 16 bars. In that case it will maybe take 5 minutes to warp a track.
I don't really see how this works against experimentation while dj-ing. The warping is just prepping, it's just doing the beatmatching bit beforehand, after that you can experiment however much you want with it.
yeah but if it takes 5 minutes per track and i'm gonna play 100 tracks in a set, sometimes more, then that's a lot of time. supposing you don't ming that tho(and this is something i'd do differently for every set mind you, so i do mind)... you gain nothing over traditional djing.
the part where ableton becomes more useful is where you setup little loops and or small parts or sections of tunes and set up all kinds of crazy fx and shit. and even then, a great deal of what can be accomplished through that can be done with almost no forethought with traditional djing.
imo ableton separates itself and excels beyond what normal djing is capable of, when a great deal of time and thought is given to really creative uses of those samples and setting up racks of stuff to resample and shape the sounds in crazy ways. but to my mind when you've gone through all the trouble to do that(and only if you're willing to do it diff each set) then at what point does the whole djing experience become more about what you've set up prior to the show than the actual show itself?
edit: i should say that i guess overall... the amount of time required to make an ableton set really stand out above a normal dj set seems to have an effect on people who go that route, of playing a pre-recorded set as much as anything. now i know that once set up, it ought to be really flexibile and the performer should be able to do some really cool things on the fly, but i've yet to hear an ableton set that really reflects that. whether that comes down to the program or the user, i don't know; i can only say what i've seen thus far.