reddd apple!

Pedro · Post by **Pedro** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:36 pm

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/4355 ... _meter.jpg

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:07 pm

Green apples give me a stomach ache...

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:13 pm

Whew, glad I sold my Apple now!

OvertoneZero · Post by **OvertoneZero** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:14 pm

Dude, you're harshing my buzz!

Nogi · Post by **Nogi** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:22 pm

Am I to understand Lenovo went from last to first in six months? Sounds like their donation check cleared. Making a donation to a green organization makes your product greener by intent, of course.

The article: http://www.dailytech.com/Greenpeace+Sla ... le6793.htm

History:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54751
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48978
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48354

R.J.Dubya · Post by **R.J.Dubya** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:41 pm

I've read that this is total BS and that apple isn't worse than the rest. Something about GP fudging their investigations and fuckin' up the analysis somehow.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:53 pm

hehe, RJ, it would appear that reading that something is BS does not make it so

R.J.Dubya · Post by **R.J.Dubya** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:01 pm

Machinate wrote:hehe, RJ, it would appear that reading that something is BS does not make it so

Ya I really don't know either way. But I've been a greenpeace donor for years, and I do like to see apple being kept on its toes (I'm nowhere near an apple fanboy). However lately I have read of some issues with greepeace's means of investigating some matters such as this. And I remember this particular case having some serious flaws, and some conclusions being made that didn't tie into the findings very well.

Maybe they're right, I dunno, but GP are far from perfect despite all the good they do.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:07 pm

I hear you, man. I'm nearly as critical of GP as I am of Apple too!

But them computers is purdy, isn't they?

kiwipicker · Post by **kiwipicker** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:12 pm

as former GP worker, I can say this about the Apple campaign:

the rating system was based more on documentation than Apple's company action. With that being said, Apple has been known to charge a fee if you were to take products to them to be recycled, and as a symbolic Market leader, GP essentially uses their name as a tool for attention to the industry problems. Obviously, Macintoshes are produced in much smaller numbers than pc countreparts internationally, hence the stats are a bit of an illusion.

GP is not evil, though, and as an orginaztion it has done some cool things to challenge the big boys with all the money..

RobertX · Post by **RobertX** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:13 pm

Nogi wrote:Sounds like their donation check cleared. Making a donation to a green organization makes your product greener by intent, of course.

Exactly. Greenpeace is all about posturing, lawsuits and publicity - they ceased being and environmental organization a long time ago.

kiwipicker · Post by **kiwipicker** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:18 pm

what are you basing your comments on?
not that i neccessarily disagree with you, but what are environmental orginizations that you endorse?

corygilbert · Post by **corygilbert** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:36 pm

Does it help if I use my powerbook to club baby seals?

cause I do.

Damon_Chambers · Post by **Damon_Chambers** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:47 pm

what a load of crap.

since when is it a companies responsibility to discard of something a CONSUMER doesnt want anymore? on a lease program maybe, but this is just rediculous.

kiwipicker · Post by **kiwipicker** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:03 pm

what if your iPod breaks or your computer breaks and you don't want to pay 600 dollars to fix it? should I just keep it in my closet until I die, or just dump it in a lake?
for items such as computers which are harder to recycle parts than a tin can or a piece of paper, environmental groups are applying more pressure that corporations include systems and policies to become more responsible for the better of the environment. They dont have to I suppose, but do you really think it is such a ridiculous request? I dont think its so ridiculous to expect any corporation that makes ridicuolous amounts of profit to sacrifice a portion into safer sounder environmental policiy and practice...(this is not really about Apple at all but about the concept of corporate responsibility)