Discuss music production with Ableton Live.
-
Angstrom
- Posts: 14926
- Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:22 pm
-
Contact:
Post
by Angstrom » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:02 pm
Intel's prototype uses 80 floating-point cores, each running at 3.16GHz, Justin Rattner, Intel's chief technology officer, said in a speech following Otellini's address. In order to move data in between individual cores and into memory, the company plans to use an on-chip interconnect fabric and stacked SRAM (static RAM) chips attached directly to the bottom of the chip, he said.
http://news.com.com/2100-1006_3-6119618 ... &subj=news
I thought 8 cores was overkill, 80 cores!
In Live terms that will equate to 80 tracks for the CPU cost of one, I guess Moore's Law is back on track then (after a few slack years)
-
jngpng
- Posts: 146
- Joined: Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:01 pm
- Location: Helsinki
Post
by jngpng » Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:31 am
But what will we use 80 cores for? We're at the stage now where even a budget new computer can handle pretty much all the DSP you could possibly want to throw at it. Where do we go from here to use all that power?
----------------
Macbook Pro, Fireface 400, Analog Shit
-
Tarekith
- Posts: 19083
- Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:46 pm
-
Contact:
Post
by Tarekith » Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:35 am
jngpng wrote:But what will we use 80 cores for?
Heating in the winter
-
Angstrom
- Posts: 14926
- Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:22 pm
-
Contact:
Post
by Angstrom » Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:55 am
I think that the question ( "what would you use all that power for ?") has been posed a number of times in the history of computing, so far people have come up with a good answer.
When I bought my PII 166 a director of IBM (no less) told me that was all the computer I would ever need. Oddly I have upgraded a number of times since then.
I find it funny that people can't imagine that there are apps yet to be written which will make use of that power in a good and interesting way.
Ever tried using a couple of convolution reverbs?
I can summon up a few reasons to use 80 cores, most of them revolve around me doing real time DSP, convolution and some big fat FFT and iFFT stuff, all in a 3d multi-user environment.
I can eat CPU, no problem.
-
rikhyray
- Posts: 3644
- Joined: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:13 pm
-
Contact:
Post
by rikhyray » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:14 am
Angstrom wrote:I think that the question ( "what would you use all that power for ?") has been posed a number of times in the history of computing, so far people have come up with a good answer.
When I bought my PII 166 a director of IBM (no less) told me that was all the computer I would ever need. Oddly I have upgraded a number of times since then.
I find it funny that people can't imagine that there are apps yet to be written which will make use of that power in a good and interesting way.
Ever tried using a couple of convolution reverbs?
I can summon up a few reasons to use 80 cores, most of them revolve around me doing real time DSP, convolution and some big fat FFT and iFFT stuff, all in a 3d multi-user environment.
I can eat CPU, no problem.
Convultion was my very first idea - recreate reverberation of Taj Mahal for example, with 3D visuals of some future MegArkaos rewired. or perhaps finally being really able to use Arthuria ?
-
nebulae
- Posts: 15716
- Joined: Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:16 am
- Location: New Orleans
-
Contact:
Post
by nebulae » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:17 am
What do you need 80 cores for? Well, Vista will require at least two or three...
-
acornblend
- Posts: 57
- Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:46 pm
- Location: swamp called Florida
-
Contact:
Post
by acornblend » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:20 am
All that processing power would be necessary to track the movenents and history of every human on earth. Now all we need is some device to implant in us to transmit such information. uhh,.. oh yea, we've got that already too. I thought the Bible was just written with men's imagination. There's no way they could of known... unless.....
Wrinkled Mac G4 dual 1.25, Tascam FW-1884, stupid Novation Remote 49, sparkely drumkits, broken studio A/C, and piles of other working junk, etc..
-
forge
- Posts: 17422
- Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:47 am
- Location: Queensland, AU
-
Contact:
Post
by forge » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:37 am
well, to me it will be the dawn of proper virtual reality
I cant wait to create music by physically sculpting sounds and painting them with tones and shades to change the timbre and tones photoshop style in a 3d environment that you could scan in then bouncing/animating them in time to make your tune
so imagine getting your digital camera and taking pics all around a room then putting them into the PC and having it replicate it so you can put on your VR goggles etc then be in a virtual version of that room, but instead you could touch objects in that room and assign them functions - so your chest of drawers becomes the file menu....drum out your rhythms with your hands on the wall.....
then the sounds in your mix are other objects - like the kick drum is a ball that bounces in time to the tempo you specifiy by saying out loud "set tempo" then waving your hand about at that tempo, then just bouncing the ball and as it bouces the kick plays - you could even keep your different kick sounds in a virtual bookshelf, or bowling ball rack
you could say "set 2 bar loop" then bounce it syncopated and have it loop, then everything syncs to that loop
maybe you wont even need goggles - it could be holographic like minority report
maybe the studio of the future could be just a big square dark room with the scanned environment projected on the walls - so you could be in a corner of the taj mahal if you want to - complete with the convolution impulses to match the environment, then as you walk towards the wall the image follows so you can walk on some kind of tread mill in your small room but manage to cover the whole of the taj mahal
Oh I can think of plenty to do with 80 cores
and if no one else invents the virtual music thing then I'll have to because I cant not see it in my lifetime when it's so close to being possible
i've dreamed about this kind of thing for years and it's getting pretty damn close to being possible
-
yourmom
- Posts: 200
- Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:49 pm
Post
by yourmom » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:47 am
Angstrom wrote:
I can eat CPU, no problem.
saaaaame here. with 80 cores i might be able to CHOSE when i want to bounce a track to audio. whereas with the CPU power available to me today i have to make compromises and assume a track is ready to bounce because my cpu meter is peaking.
-
the_viirus
- Posts: 171
- Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:47 pm
Post
by the_viirus » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:54 am
cool....i will make sure to upgrade to macbooks and G5 cheesegraters when these 80-core doohickeys come out.
-
friend_kami
- Posts: 2255
- Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 10:10 pm
Post
by friend_kami » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:04 am
yourmom wrote:Angstrom wrote:
I can eat CPU, no problem.
saaaaame here. with 80 cores i might be able to CHOSE when i want to bounce a track to audio. whereas with the CPU power available to me today i have to make compromises and assume a track is ready to bounce because my cpu meter is peaking.
whatever he said.
-
Johnisfaster
- Posts: 7251
- Joined: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:34 am
-
Contact:
Post
by Johnisfaster » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:26 am
I guess with 80 cores you will finally be able to run every program on your computer all at the same time, no more waiting for programs to start and shut down, just leave them running. finally... no more clicking apple Q when I'm done.
thats a joke by the way.
I'm sure with that much power then all vst's and vsti's will become very very powerful. at the moment some of the tools I use are powerful and some of them aren't. I sometimes even turn to tools like blackwaterreverb simply cause they sound good enough but don't eat cpu. and I want to be able to watch a dvd and download some simpsons torrents while I make music in ableton AND reason at the same time. while looking at porn. and checking my stocks. and chatting on aim.
do you think we'll still be using text messages on our cell phones in that "high tech" era? thats the real question.
It was as if someone shook up a 6 foot can of blood soda and suddenly popped the top.
-
ocp
- Posts: 355
- Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:38 pm
- Location: Porto, Portugal
-
Contact:
Post
by ocp » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:37 am
Maybe then we'll have a decent physical modelling solution allowing you to go crazy... like creating/simulating a 1 Km guitar string or a 1 Km in diameter drum head.
Imagine the sonic potential!