Midi-Controller keys+endless rotary knobs. Recommendations?

EddyTheEagle · Post by **EddyTheEagle** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:58 am

Hi,
I currently own edirol pcm-r30 (http://www.rolandus.com/products/detail ... ID=PCR-M30) for controlling Live. A great controller, but it has one disadvantage: it does not have "endless" rotary knobs. When doing a gig, the lack of endless rotating knobs bothers me, because I cannot start filter settings at the programmed setting in Live, but they start at the point where the rotary knob is situated. (Sorry, I do not know how to explain exactly)

Is there a controller outthere that has both keys and endless rotary knobs. I know I can buy a Behringer BCR-2000, but I'd like to have both integrated.

TIA

Pitch Black · Post by **Pitch Black** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:38 am

The Novation ReMotes (2,4&5 octave) have 8 standard knobs and 8 endless rotary controllers (as well as 24 buttons, 8 sliders, a joystick and a touchpad)

Very happy with my ReMote 25.

Cache · Post by **Cache** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:59 am

korg microKontrol.
keys + endless knobs

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:00 pm

the encoders on the microKontrol aren't endless in Live, though, right?

EddyTheEagle · Post by **EddyTheEagle** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:33 pm

Exactly my question. Are they endless in Live? Live does not support sysex, so I am not sure if Live can send, for example, the cutoff value to an endless rotary knob. Or doesn't it work that way?

Please, anyone? (Yes, I am new to this....

)

ploy · Post by **ploy** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:56 pm

microkontrol endless knobs work well with a little help from

http://www.wthor.com/microkontrol/

maybe there will come a day live supports the native mode.

ewik · Post by **ewik** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:09 pm

check out the alesis photon

25: http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=14

X25: http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=15

X49: http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=18

love these things

Cache · Post by **Cache** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:23 pm

sounds like that little program does the trick.
i'm going to try it out tonight. pm/mail me to find out how successful it is. sounds good on paper.

John Sweet · Post by **John Sweet** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:39 pm

I don't think Novation has proper endless rotary implementation anywhere across their line.

Check this out:
http://www.novationmusic.com/answerbase ... php?id=200

"The Remote does not incorporate MIDI feedback."

The X-Station doesn't, either. Can't send relative messages, can't listen to MIDI output from Live. This means you're still in for an increment jump.

I always hear good things about doepfer & the BCR2000 for endless. Maybe things will get better at NAMM on the 19th. Anybody know any more about new Faderfoxes?

EddyTheEagle · Post by **EddyTheEagle** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:04 pm

Exactly how does Live send the knob value to the controller? Live doesn't support sysex right? So how do you configure Live to send the values?

Is there someone out here who has any experience with this?

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:09 pm

just set the controller as the output as well as input. Works well. it's just plain old midi being sent back again.

BCR2k by behringer works great with this, no external software needed.

ploy · Post by **ploy** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:59 pm

Cache wrote:sounds like that little program does the trick.
i'm going to try it out tonight. pm/mail me to find out how successful it is. sounds good on paper.

it does, everything on the microkontrol works fine except the display-change (no feedback) but i don´t need em anyway. and i like the keys, especially for drum-programming they are wonderful and not that kinda pseudo-piano like many others. just designed for synths/sound-editing.

doepfer´s pocket dial also is a great deal for endless knobs and it´s made very solid. great as sucking on a lemon. easy to switch the table, four buttons for four setups (which makes it easily a 64 endless).

those both controllers is all i take and need (live 5 is my only sequencer, so they really do work with it endlessly

).

EddyTheEagle · Post by **EddyTheEagle** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:09 am

Is there any tutorial on how to set up Live with a controller and how to send a value to a specific knob on the controller?

EddyTheEagle · Post by **EddyTheEagle** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:32 pm

Please, anyone?

plain · Post by **plain** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:48 pm

Eddy with my bcr as long as the template has the assigned channel number and the cc # (Created template by user) all i do is load up that song and press the midi button twice and all the values are there..

it's nice....the problem is making all these retarted templates..