Roland TR-8 and TB-3 integration issues with existing audio interface

I have just bought a Roland TR-8 and a TB-3 and I am looking for the best way to integrate them into my ableton setup.

 

I am using the following

  • Ableton Live 9
  • Windows 7, 64 bit
  • Focusrite Saffire 6 USB Audio Interface
  • Akai MPK49 midi controller keyboard
  • Ableton Push
  • Roland TR-8
  • Roland TB-3

 

As I understand it, the TR-8 and the TB-3 both act as audio interfaces so I can select between my 3 available interfaces in Ableton (TR-8, TB-3 & Saffire 6). I currently have my monitor speakers connected to my Saffire 6 interface so obviously if I choose say the TR-8 as my audio device I can no longer hear my monitors.

 

If I then connect my monitors to The TR-8 and select it as the audio device, I can setup my 11 channels in Ableton and have each of the TR-8's kit sounds on a different channel which I understand, but my monitors are now hearing everything doubled up (the audio output of both the TR-8 and the USB audio the TR-8 is sending through ableton….Is there any way to turn off the TR-8's physical audio output so you only hear the USB audio it's sending out and being routed back through it as an audio device?

 

The only way to get the 11 tracks of audio from the TR-8 into Ableton via USB is to have the TR-8 set as my audio interface. If I select any other audio interface the TR-8 stops sending audio over USB which is quite frustrating. This essentially means you can't use your existing audio interface and have the TR-8's 11 channels in your DAW simultaneously. Is there any way around this?

 

What I ultimately want is for my TR-8 (11 tracks), TB-3 (1 track) to send audio into ableton via USB and ableton's mixer controls to actually work on those channels, whilst the master output of ableton is sent out via my Saffire 6 USB (with my monitors attached)   -  is this possible ?   … having to keep switching my monitor jacks between my audio interface and the TR-8, whenever I want to hear it's 11 channels it sends out via USB, seems ridiculous.

 

Here's some core questions…

 

  • What's the best way to integrate the TR-8 and TB-3 into your ableton setup whilst still using your separate audio interface with your monitors attached?
  • Assuming you want to use your existing audio/midi interface, it's apparent that you need to forget the option of the TR-8 sending it's 11 channels into ableton via USB as this doesn't work if you have another audio device selected. Am I then right in thinking that you would need to settle on connecting the main L/R outs of the TR-8 to your audio interface and work with it that way? 
  • I ideally would like to do all my mixing and recoding inside ableton, and not have to invest in an external mixing desk and external recording. Is a kick ass audio interface which would enable me to connect my roland gear through my best option?

 

Many thanks for any suggestions or advice.

 

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Adashi 10 months ago | 0 comments

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  • Adashi
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    Got this from Roland:

    You care correct – you can only use one interface at a time.

     

    So if you want to record all the individual instruments you need to indeed select the TR-8 as the main interface.

     

    Sounds like you are having the same issues as most TR-8 users when it comes to software monitoring the TR..

     

    The simplest thing to do is set all your TR instruments to play via the direct outputs (so basically you wont hear them) – and you will be left with the output back from the software.

     

    I do hope they add a “Local Sound Off” function in future updates.

     

     

    I hope this helps.

     

    Regards

     

    Oliver Davis
    Product Support Manager

     

     

    10 months ago | 0 comments
  • Proj3ktDharma
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    I understand you are using a PC.

    My configuration is close from yours, I have a focusrite saffire 24, Firewire.

    If your computer can support it, you can use asio4all. But you have to set the saffire at a sample rate of 96Khz as the Tr-8( and the TB-3 i guess) saddly stream at that sample rate. It use a lot more processing ressource, so you have to have a relatively fast computer.

    I wish you could lower the sample rate to 44Khz.

    In your case, with Asio4All, you could achieve exactly what you want. 

     

    10 months ago | 0 comments
  • Fesplund
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    I have this exact same issue with my setup. I installed asio4all but that did not seem to solve anything as I still can't get the audio fr.o.m. the TR to play through my soundcard (Focusrite Scarlett 2i4). The only selectable inputs I can choose is the Scarlett inputs (1/2, 1 and 2.) Any tips?

    Also, I am curious to know if Mac users are having the same problems? (I run Live on a 64bit Win8.1 PC).

    Thanks!

    9 months ago | 0 comments
  • djmichaelwenz
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    I am running the TR-8 into my audio card (Audio 8) and adjusting the latency and it works pretty well. My only problem is I am getting distortion from running the kick to heavy. I found that you can turn each drum kits individual parts down on the TR-8 by holding KIT and turning the TEMPO knob down. So I turned the kick down and there was no clipping anymore. Had to do it for all the kits. Cant do so with the external input channel (TB3) so thats not that fun. Hope that might give you ideas.

    8 months ago | 0 comments
  • Guy Brush
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    Folks! First there is a Firmware Update to the Aira series where you can now change the Gain for every single Drum channel to answer the last question. Secondly to answer the first question: You need to setup asio4all first to use all soundcards at the same time. This is done by clicking the setup? button in the preferences for audio in live to access asio4all setup window where you can switch on and off existing soundcards and their in and outputs completely. Look for the wrench icon to expand the setup box to expert mode. Now look for the plus icons on the left and click them all to expand all channels. All Channels you want to use have to be switched on! Then you also have to disconnect your physical audio connection from the tr 8 audio out to the focusrite soundcard. This caused the doubling. Then you also have to set up the input and output channels in Abletons preferences itself. You have to try a little to find the mono channels from the tr 8. They musst be 11. My inputs go from 1 to 18 where the bassdrum starts at 7 and the ride cymbal is no 17. No 18 is no active channel i think. Needless to say that all channels where you want to receive audio over usb from the TR 8 have to be switched to external in and to the correct input channel AND have to be switched to MONITOR IN.

    8 months ago | 0 comments
  • Adashi
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    The DAW integration of the Roland AIRA range is unbelievably poor making it almost useless playing together with your other gear live. If you are on a PC you cannot use the multiple audio devices trick that MAC users can achieve.

    You are either left with sampling the AIRA gear into Ableton or resigning yourself to using old school midi and an external mixing desk with outboard recording.

    3 months ago | 0 comments
  • genjutsushi
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    The best way on the Mac is to create an aggregate device from the TR8 and your audio interface. Theres a ton of info on the Apple website about doing that.

    3 months ago | 1 comment

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