midi step recording

This is the second time I'm asking this, if your answer is "read the manual" don't bother. I HAVE read the manual over and over and don't seem to be able to do this (after about 2 weeks of trying):

Play an audio track,

Stop during playback,

From my midi device insert a note on 2 midi channels (mapped to 15 and 16),

Step a 32nd note, possibly add more note pairs,

Continue audio playback until I need to insert more midi pair(s)

 

I am trying to sync an effects generator which can be triggered by midi to audio tracks. To try to write the notes in by hand is a nightmare. As many as 6 note pairs need to be entered at each stop. Doing a 10 minute audio track has taken me 10 or 12 hours to do and is way beyond frustrating to do manually.

 

Thanks for any help or advice!

 

joeb 

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joebataz 1 year ago | 0 comments

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  • Warrior Bob
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    I don't believe there is a facility for doing this easily in Live. If you're inserting the same notes, you might be able to copy/paste MIDI clips.

    There is a basic step-input for the MIDI clip view editor (enable preview, set the grid, hold notes and press arrow keys), but I'm not sure it'll help you here since the selection doesn't move with playback.

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  • joebataz
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    Warrior Bob,

     

    Well it's not pretty but it does work!

    My goal was to sync a lighting and special effects generator to audio tracks. I have an iPad app that can control the generator (BTW, this is all midi except for the audio) but to get the timing tight I have been using Live and a midi VST to send out the midi. Just a major pain in the butt to get 1/64 notes synched on 2 midi tracks and an audio track by hand. So after reading a bunch of posts what I did was to have my app send out both midi channels (15 and 16) to a single midi track. I added 3 octaves to one of the channels to be able to distinguish the 2 channels. I send the combined track to a Scale midi effect track to send just the lower channel (15) to the device. I added another Scale track which I then send to a Transpose track to drop 3 octaves down for the upper channel (16).

    PHEW....

    So I can now step record to a single track and let Live sort out which midi goes where. Sorry for the long response but I'm kinda proud of my solution.

    Thanks for your response!!!!

     

    joeb

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  • JamesMiles
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    Hi Joeb,

    This is a late reply, but others might find it helpful.

    Create a MIDI clip the same length as your audio clip.

    Trigger the audio clip and MIDI clip from the scene launch triggers (so they both start at the same time)

    At the moment you need to input notes.  Stop playback, and then click in the midi clip editor so the yellow cursor is precisely where you need the midi notes.  Hold down the MIDI keys while pressing the right arrow key.  This should "step input" the notes into the MIDI clip.  (If it doesn't enter the notes, be sure to activate the preview function in the MIDI editor - little blue headphones at top left of piano roll).

    "Shift-Spacebar" to continue playing from there, and repeat.

     

    This would also be helpful for anyone using VSTfx like Turnado or Artillery.

     

    Hope it helps!

    1 year ago | 0 comments
  • joebataz
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    Folks,

     

    I am SO far beyond this now! I wrote a pretty sophisticated app in Lemur on the iPad. One of the pieces is a step editor that works with my DMX hardware and Live at the same time. Here's how it works:

    I have an audio track and 6 MIDI. tracks in a special Live template that I designed. My Lemur app sends out a note pair, one note on channel 15 for the Bank select and one note on channel 16 for the Preset within the bank. Since both the Bank note and the Preset note can be the same note (the first Preset in the first Bank would be C-2, C-2) I bump the Preset note by 3 octaves coming out of my app. These go onto my working MIDI track. The output of this track goes to 2 more tracks. These tracks have range limits. The first will only get notes below C1. The output of this track goes to the hardware VST for channel 15, Bank select. The second track only accepts notes at C1 or above. This track outputs to another MIDI that does a mapping down by 3 octaves and then sends that output to the hardware VST for channel 16. While this sounds kind of kludgey it works GREAT and I've been running it in gigs for 3 months now. Surprisingly I haven't run into any latency issues and the timing is dead on and if I say so myself pretty damn impressive when it runs. I also use midiStroke to handle the spacebar, shift-spacebar, left and right arrows by sending a control command to execute these keypresses. As part of the left/right arrow execution I send a note-off to all 6 of the octaves to clear all the notes after the desired note has been written by the right arrow "step input" into the primary midi track.

    So thanks for all the input folks. This forum helped me gather all the pieces I needed to implement this and if anyone is interested I can post the Live template (if someone also tells me where) with the caveat that I am in the process of adding a couple of more midi tracks to cue video/video effects in Resolume Avenue so the template looks like there are unneeded tracks.

    Thanks again and have a great day all!

     

    joeb

    1 year ago | 0 comments

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