I feel like Push 2 is useless for me...

Hey guys, sorry for such offensive title, but I just can't seem to figure this thing out.

I purchased Push 2 like a week ago with not so much a research, (since everybody was just praising this instrument I thought I should just buy it right away)

I tried few different music production using this gear, first 2 days were tough. I had to figure out how to actually operate this guy and addition to that, I am not really comfortable with using live so I had to learn two things at the same time.

Let me just briefly introduce my situation.
I have Maschine, I am a keyboard player, used Logic for a while and switched to Ableton Live about 3 months ago.

Let me explain why I think Push is not for me as a Maschine owner and a keyboard player.
1) Browsing function on Push is pretty good. But I feel like using the mouse to just navigate by looking at the screen is way faster.

2) Sampling Features and converting to Drum Rack is pretty amazing but I think I can pretty much do that on Maschine. I think it would take a little more effort and time. But definitely not worth $799

3) Drum step sequencing pretty amazing but can be done on Maschine as well.

4) As a keyboard player, note scale function on push 2 is just not useful at all. I am way more comfortable on playing keys rather than Push 2

5) Knobs are great but I can do that on my Midi keyboard.

6) One of the biggest reason why I purchased Push 2 was performing live. But with a little more research, It seems like it is smarter to go for Launchpad or APC40 since I will just play the clips I produced.

What is really a strength to this instrument? If I can't really find any strength that can enhance my music production I think I am going to refund this right away...
I feel like this instrument is good for people who don't know how to play keyboard, don't know how to sample with Maschine.

Just simply put,
When I produce music, my eyes are fixed on the monitor even though I have my Push 2 in front of me. Most of the work is done by mouse and keyboard shortcuts and my MIDI keyboard. I force my self to use the Push but it feels like I can just do those with other way easily.

What do you guys think? I am sure that there should be amazing feature on this thing but I just can't seem to find it... 
Do you guys think I just need to spend more time with Push 2?

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Lignus 11 months ago | 1 comment

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  • Joshua Boden
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    You have only been using Live for about three months. You haven't even begun to scratch the surface of what this DAW can do. Its a rabbit hole once you get into working with it regularly. As far as PUSH2 is concerned I love it. The pads feel amazing, its more like an instrument then the first version. Ultimately, I see Ableton as a composing instrument. Push makes that instrument playable. Any instrument you pick up that you are unfamiliar with is going to take time. It comes down to how much time you want to put into it. You get what you give. Then again, you might find that the keyboard and the Maschine work better for your process. Thats cool too.
     

    11 months ago | 0 comments
  • @rickduff
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    I'll take it off your hands. But seriously when you first played the keyboard did you master it too in 3 months?

    If you treat the push as an instrument and your DAW as well with as much passion and commitment as your chosen instrument your results may surprise even the most jaded artist.

    It's about attitude not equipment. A craftsman never blames her/his tools.

    11 months ago | 3 comments
  • Trump2016
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    I say the same things about Maschine and writing in a second language. They are different things. The Ableton workflow is quirky and not as intuitive as Logic or old step sequencers, but someone learning Ableton first will say the inverse.

    The Push is just a fancy, well built, well priced, midi controller that doubles as an instrument. It's a midi instrument like a keyboard or a vdrum pad. If you are not good with it, then it is not because the tool is bad, you are.

    2 months ago | 0 comments
  • soundsandwords
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    i've been on the fence about getting push for similar reasons. i too don't quite see the appeal of trading my big monitor and mouse for small screens. i own maschine mk2 and an alesis q49 keyboard midi controller. i don't see the $800 improvement in my workflow with push 2 unless i was going to do away with everything else. but, i've been an ableton user for years and feel pretty confident in my use of the DAW. so i use maschine to accent my process in ableton and to throw down quick grooves in standalone mode.

    i basically made sure that i knew how to do as much as possible with a cheap keyboard midi controller before buying anything else. then, i built up my studio to reflect conveniences i found useful. i tell everyone the same. if you don't think push adds value to your setup, then cool. it sounds like you probably have everything you need.

    all that said, i see what push 2 can do and i love how it's crafted. i find push highly impressive, even if not necessary for me. as others have said, it makes the DAW playable like an instrument unto itself. and the DAW is basically limitless.

    3 months ago | 0 comments
  • inkblot1
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    I use a Novation SLMkII keyboard and a M-Audio Trigger Finger Pro. I also have an Arturia SparkLE controller (kinda the same thing as the Trigger Finger Pro) and Ableton Live. I cut my teeth on Acid 3 and Fruity Loops 4, typically with a bunch of Roland and Korg rack synths hooked up via MIDI and 1/4" audio cables, eventually migrating to Ableton Live. So, I've had a decent run with both the software and hardware of recording.

    Here's the low-lown. I've composed and produced a variety of tracks since 2001. Some pretty good (according to others) and some pure garbage (according the other others). What I've learned in the last decade and a half is that some of this hardware you can't live without. And, some, you can pass right on by. The truth of it is usually all about you - but not always. I used to own an Axiom 66 key midi controller. I loved that thing. Only, I could never really get it to sing and dance. The MIDI mapping was beyond me, as I was looking for a more permanent setup (right...good luck with a handful of VST's). The bad news is that I was never able to really get it to do what I wanted it to do. The good news is that I learned a lot about MIDI and such while learning that it was never going to do what I wanted it to do. So, that encouraged me to get the Novation SL - a smarter machine. Since then, most of the midi controllers out now are fairly smart machines.

     

    I"m fairly comfortable with his controller. I can program it and have it permanently mapped to a variety of VST's. So, now, I'm pretty good friends with it. But, it required me to be fairly patient. And, I wasn't for sure in the beginning. I took a chance. Here I a recommendation though - call tech support. Seriously, call them. Ask them questions. Oh, and read the book. And, watch Youtube videos. I learned FL Studio back and forth because I actually bought the FL Studio Bible and read it cover to cover (by the way, it's actually included in the program itself...it's called the HELP file).

    Ultimately, your controller is only as powerful as it's owner. But, keep this in mind. It's you who owns it...not the other way around. Unless, you don't actually pursue researching it. Then, it pretty much owns you.

    Though, in the end, if you've done all that and you still don't see the virtue in it, throw it up on eBay and I'm sure somebody will take it off our hands. We all work differently and require different tools to do said work. In Lethal Weapon, the white guy had an automatic and the black guy had a revolver. In the end, they both do the same thing.

    2 months ago | 0 comments

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