32bit 64bit plugin bridge in Live 9?

Hello. I recently purchased a license for Live 8 suite, and was quite shocked to find that it was not able to bridge 64bit and 32bit  plugins in their respective hosts.

I read that the current 'solution' in Live 8 is to buy a separate program called jBridge to make up for this missing functionality.

It never even occurred to me that this might be an issue, since my other two hosts, (Renoise and REAPER) both have this functionality, and both cost less than a fraction of what Live costs.

So before upgrading, or selling my license on, I was wondering if anyone knew if Ableton Live suite 9 will have this capability?

Thanks!

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Jenoki 2 years ago | 0 comments

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  • designwebuk
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    64/32bit plugin bridging is not available in Live 9. It is very disappointing that Ableton have not added this support. Reaper costs £40 and has mp3 export, bounce in place, plugin bridging, 64bit mixer, professional metering and many other great features.

    Ableton Suite costs £400 plus and does not have these basic features.

    Most of the new features in Live 9 are just features that you would and should expect from any DAW, such as a good compressor, EQ and so on.

    The audio to midi stuff is good, but I bet every DAW will have that soon.

    Going to keep my eye on Bitwig as they look like they are going to do it right.

    Ableton you need to fix all bugs, fix Waves plugin support, quicker loading of application and projects, plugin bridging, bounce in place, ability to edit audio in clip view, 64 bit mix engine, better metering, shall I go on???

    2 years ago | 1 comment
  • Jenoki
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    I emailed Ableton support about this and their reply was this:

    "While on our list of possible future improvements, 32-bit plugins cannot natively be used in any 64-bit version of Live 8 or Live 9."

    I'll hang on to my license for now and see what Bitwig is like this summer when it comes out of beta.

    2 years ago | 0 comments
  • mcbpete
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    I recommend reading this before getting too annoyed - https://www.ableton.com/en/articles/64bit-myths-facts/

    1 year ago | 0 comments
  • 3l3tric
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    I use Vienna Ensemble Pro to host my 32 and 64 bit plugins.

    I know that Jbridge is cheap works great for a good majority of people but it still has a high number of incompatibilities. Look, if it works for YOU, then it's perfect but for people like me, that want a true and professional solution, there is only one that I have found. For $20, jBridge is worth trying first before you buy what I'm about to suggest.

    I don't know why no one has mentioned this but the pro guys in movie scoring use Vienna Ensemble Pro. It's a host that can run both 32 and 64 bit plugins outside of Live. It's capable of being used as an external FX rack with full automation of the plugin's controls or a VST host with the same CC assigning capabilities. They're not even comparable when you really know what VEP actually does. It's like a whole other world you didn't know existed.

    It's not cheap but to kind of shed some understanding of what else it does...it not only "hosts" your plugins, it can host VSTs. It will even keep it all in memory between DAWS. 

    Again, the pros in the field use this. Just read the reviews anywhere on the web. The average rating is 5/5. Vienna Ensemble Pro 5 is the latest version as of now May 2015.

    I am not affiliated with anyone at Vienna. I read this thread months ago and after I found out the limitations with jBridge.

    As far as Bitwig is concerned...VEP5 does the plugin and VST "sandboxing" as Bitwig but doesn't replace the DAW like Bitwig.

    OH! The coolest thing about VEP is that is you can load it with tons of instruments (VSTs) and plugins once into memory, then use that instance between DAWs or sessions. No need to load all those plugins twice...even if the DAW crashes, you can just pick up where you left off provided most of what you need loaded is in VEP.

    Although this might be an overkill of a solution, it does one other thing that you probably won't use but I'll mention it anyway. It will take any computer, MAC or PC or a mixture of both, and extend your DAW to that computer as an external host for your sound library. You guys probably will never ever need that, but now you don't need to buy MIDI equipment or licenses to run a second computer. This will essentially build a music-making network. This is how the guys that make full out EPIC orchestral scores are getting around the limitations of composing huge-mega scores on single computers....or spending thousands of extra money on multiple computers with a bunch of DAWs and hardware. VEP basically extends your main studio computer with the ram and processing power of anything you have laying around in the house or studio whether it be PC or MAC or both. You just need a gigabit network though. That's the catch. Those are cheap now. Also, the initial setup is not for the novice user. You will need a little understanding about routing which you can learn from a YouTube video.

    Once again, I have no affiliation to anything. Everything out there has it's place and if it works for your needs, great! If it doesn't and need something else, then maybe what I mentioned will work for you but it is just a little pricier at about $220 from Sweetwater. If it makes you feel better, it does come with an Epic Orchestra Library. Sounds are dry so you need a good reverb to add that realism. Anyway, professional Hollywood composers use this...so, I'm just learning from them.

    Cheers!

    1 month ago | 1 comment
  • simonemessina92
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    It is really unbelievable that ableton won't add this feature .-. bigwig will be released with this features and also have the anti-crusher plugin features.... Really upset 

    1 year ago | 0 comments
  • The III Man
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    I agree its a shame - but why on every forum on the ableton site all I see is people moaning the whole time? Deal with it - and the software is pretty damn awesome and these things take time.

    1 year ago | 0 comments
  • mischif
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    It's because Albeton don't give a shit about anything but themselves. They are slowly adding very small additions with each new update. They will never catch up to bitwig or ever be as good.

    8 months ago | 0 comments
  • lesha
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    Such a shame Ableton won't develop their own bridge. I am still using a 32bit version because of the Variety of Sound plugins and some other ones that don't have a 64bit version (made with Synthmaker/FlowStone)..
    I am really disappointed since a few other DAWs already mentioned here have this feature.

    2 months ago | 0 comments
  • MidiFinger
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    I am using jbridge from jstuff to bridge 32bit vst's to my 64bit host and it works well and was not expensive ~$20

    https://jstuff.wordpress.com/jbridge/

     

     

    2 months ago | 2 comments
  • lyne1
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    why not rewire into reaper and use their bridge?

    2 months ago | 0 comments
  • designwebuk
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    Me too, I have been playing round with 9, I know it's only five days away from launch and that I am using the beta.
    It feels very buggy. It takes such a long time to load projects and the app.

    Also I feel like the only thing good in Ableton 9 is the audio to midi stuff.
    I own Melodyne Studio and Editor and that can do the same thing.
    Plus I think Bitwig and Reaper will most probably licence this technology from Melodyne soon anyway.

    I am only going to use ableton for basic creation, but I think I will stick with Reaper to do all the pro stuff and keep my eye on Bitwig in the mean time.

    2 years ago | 0 comments
  • jpodtbc
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    definitely more excited for bitwig than anything ableton has announced in over a couple of years. i'm tired of waiting for fixes and simple improvements. 

    2 years ago | 0 comments
  • tomate
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    yes that suck, am ready upgrade a pyed a lot of money and I can't used my serato together with ableton9 64bit version... Ableton SUCKS!

    2 years ago | 1 comment

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