L6/7 - Groove IS possible! (sort of...)

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L6/7 - Groove IS possible! (sort of...)

Post by siliconarc » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:47 am

maybe this is known to some of you already, but i only just discovered that the arrange page's master automation lane has a 'global groove amount' selector. After some playing around with it, i managed to get a half-decent groove going by drawing in automation.

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just start with a simple 16th beat pattern, loop it, and start drawing in the shuffle amount in 8th note blocks. when you're happy with it, duplicate the automation across the length of the song.

here's a quick example i made so you can get the gist:
http://www.garyboozy.f2s.com/groove_example_Project.zip
first bit straight, second but 'grooved'

like said, its not perfect - you're only actually swinging it in varying amounts - but some good results can be achieved, and unlike the 'master tempo clip' method, you're free to alter the tempo.
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Kozak
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Post by Kozak » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:44 am

What happens when you do groove quantize? Is it the same as adding swing?
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Post by djgroovy » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:43 am

Nice tip.
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Post by forge » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:37 pm

yeah nice one

never thought of that
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Post by Atomikat » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:42 pm

+1 Nice... :wink:
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Post by Lo-Fi Massahkah » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:51 am

Never done much groovin' myself. Apart from playing unquantized. But this I'm gonna try.

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Post by friend_kami » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:32 pm

hmmm interesting. :)
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Post by ckluxen » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:12 pm

did you ever get crackles by ths method? I`m not sure...
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Re: L6/7 - Groove IS possible! (sort of...)

Post by Bionecteur » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:00 am

garyboozy wrote:maybe this is known to some of you already, but i only just discovered that the arrange page's master automation lane has a 'global groove amount' selector. After some playing around with it, i managed to get a half-decent groove going by drawing in automation.

Image

just start with a simple 16th beat pattern, loop it, and start drawing in the shuffle amount in 8th note blocks. when you're happy with it, duplicate the automation across the length of the song.

here's a quick example i made so you can get the gist:
http://www.garyboozy.f2s.com/groove_example_Project.zip
first bit straight, second but 'grooved'

like said, its not perfect - you're only actually swinging it in varying amounts - but some good results can be achieved, and unlike the 'master tempo clip' method, you're free to alter the tempo.
Wow...Nice Tip!

Thanks for sharing
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Post by Mr Lager » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:19 am

i tend to find that working unquantised provides much better results when working with beats but this is a handy technique when you work an individual track loop - then export and import back in to the non grooved project.
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