HELP:Volume slider for midi track?

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HELP:Volume slider for midi track?

Post by robocop » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:08 pm

Is there a way to have a volume slider on a midi track(without using the external instrument Ableton device)?

Pleaaaaaaaaase!!

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Post by honsey » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:27 pm

i dont know what you want to do with that, but maybe the midiplugin velocity is what you're searching for?

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Post by robocop » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:03 pm

honsey wrote:i dont know what you want to do with that, but maybe the midiplugin velocity is what you're searching for?
I want to adjust the volume of a midi track just like an audio track, like cubase,logic, protools does...i would like a regular faderImage instead of those ledsImage...am I missing something?
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Post by laird » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:12 pm

PS: thanks for editing your previous statement and then chastising me for answering the wrong question ;)


??? The volume sliders on a MIDI track are the same as on an audio track

If you want to control an external instrument, you can also use MIDI CC7
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Post by robocop » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:24 pm

For me on midi tracks I have this Image BUT I would like a fader that use cc7 like thatImage

Thanks for the tips :wink:

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Post by robocop » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:02 pm

laird wrote:??? The volume sliders on a MIDI track are the same as on an audio track
...but not for an external instrumentImage:x
If you want to control an external instrument, you can also use MIDI CC7
...right, but without volumeImage my bcf2000 fader stays down, the velocity plugin seems to be a solution, but why can't they make a SIMPLE "midi volume" like for internal midi instruments???

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Post by longjohns » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:42 am

it sounds like you don't use the External Instrument plug?

that gives a volume slider to a midi track.

A midi track with no instrument = dots

A midi track with an instrument = slider

A midi track using routing to send to an external instrument = dots

A midi track using External Instrument plug to send = slider

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Post by robocop » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:51 am

longjohns wrote:it sounds like you don't use the External Instrument plug?
I don't :) Because you must route the audio back in the soundcard, and I will not have enough physical audio input on my digi002R to map each midi channel back in a separate audio in.
I could just use the slider but the fact is that the "slider" created by the "external instruments plug" affect the audio and not the midi.What I would like is a MIDI VOLUME PLUG that can be inserted on a midi track.(maybe I should go to the whishlist???)

Thanks longjohns

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Post by rbmonosylabik » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:13 am

velocity plug in?
Image

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Post by robocop » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:03 am

rbmonosylabik wrote:velocity plug in?
I think it is the ONLY way to do what I want to do, ...for the moment 8)
BUT my BCF2000W in MackieControl mode doesn't respond so well to the selected track in this situation :(

Thanks :!:

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Post by laird » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:20 pm

What about "pottards" from :
http://acousmodules.free.fr/acousmodule ... processors
I've never used MIDi plugins other than Live's, so I can make no garuntee that it'll work, but it looks like 12 Sliders hooked up to 12 selectable MIDI CC's.
(from http://www.midiplugins.com/ )

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Post by robocop » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:40 pm

laird wrote:What about "pottards" from :
http://acousmodules.free.fr/acousmodule ... processors
I've never used MIDi plugins other than Live's, so I can make no garuntee that it'll work, but it looks like 12 Sliders hooked up to 12 selectable MIDI CC's.
(from http://www.midiplugins.com/ )
OS X here...But thanks I love those midi tools!!!!
I just wish there was more MIDI plugs (like a midi beat repeat) in Live.

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Post by robocop » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:49 pm

laird wrote:PS: thanks for editing your previous statement and then chastising me for answering the wrong question ;)
Sorry :lol:

I was such in a mess with my own brain.. :?

TO CLEAR MY POST:

Problem:
With a BCF2000 in MackieControl mode, no volume/velocity fader automation possible on midi tracks without instruments (external midi out gear).

Solutions:
1.(not for me)Use the External Instruments Ableton device plug (wich is nice) and route the audio of my external gear in my soundcard (but I don't have enough audio input to map each separate midi channel)

2.(for me).Forget the Mackie emulation and then use a Velocity plug on each track with a proper midi cc (7 or what :) ever)

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Post by laird » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:05 pm

robocop wrote: I just wish there was more MIDI plugs (like a midi beat repeat) in Live.
Try the arpeggiator.... perhaps with a scale limiter after it. Works great on drums, you can trigger fills quite easily. Add a random plug before the scale if you want your fills to vary a little bit (and scale will help you limit the results to something like "kick, snare, hat" or just "kick hat" or something.

also, this was just brought up on antoher thread, you may find it interesting
http://www.covops.org/index.php/Patch-o ... icBox.html

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Post by robocop » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:02 pm

laird wrote:Try the arpeggiator... perhaps with a scale limiter after it. Works great on drums, you can trigger fills quite easily. Add a random plug before the scale if you want your fills to vary a little bit (and scale will help you limit the results to something like "kick, snare, hat" or just "kick hat" or something.
Yes, the arpeggiator is very nice on drums, definetly the way to go :arrow:

THANKS Laird

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