How to disable Mr. Ugly Warp completely??

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:31 pm

Is there a way to disable the auto warp stuff??

Everytime I freeze and flatten again, the file has been warped. If I record audio, it is always warped. Imported samples are too always warped. I dislike warps. How can I disable the autowarp completely. There is a setting in the options but doesnt quite work. My samples keep on autowarping. So how do I disable Mr. Ugly Warp?

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:43 pm

preference

in the launch and warp i think

set one shots to not warp and turn auto warp for long samples off too

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:00 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote: If I record audio, it is always warped.

At least for new recordings, those preferences will not have an effect. It will still warp. So you should set your default mode to beats or repitch, and you will be OK unless tempo is changed.

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:25 pm

hmmz spanx

if i freeze a track and then flatten the track, the clip is warped.. Is the clip been warped after the freeze/flatten? or does ableton apply warp before the freeze/flatten ?? (hope not!)

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:57 pm

warp doesn't do anything untill the tempo has been changed from the original tempo.

So warp isn't changing your sound at all unless you change the tempo.

Well, except in the case of "complex" warp mode, from what i've heard.

.lm.

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:00 pm

erm.... youve got to be kidding me!? i think you need some q tips
keep on bouncing a warped clip and youll hear what i mean

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:09 pm

Think what you will, but warping using beats, tones, or textures (and repitch!) mode does not effect the sound untill the tempo is changed from the orig. or a warp marker is moved.

.lm.

-edit to remove the erroneous statement that included repitch in the list of "safe" warp modes.-

edit to restore repitch to its rightful place as a safe mode.

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:29 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote:erm.... youve got to be kidding me!? i think you need some q tips
keep on bouncing a warped clip and youll hear what i mean

Play nice, Heinz.

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:34 pm

yeah, let's have this discussion again. fun!!

Heinz Graaf · Post by **Heinz Graaf** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:34 pm

you people rather discuss which kind of joints you smoke? well ok then...

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:09 pm

well, it's just that this has been discused at length.

you can choose to not believe what i say, but it is quite simple for you to test and [rove for yourself:

record some audio ---> copy the file to a second track.

enable warp on one of the clips set to "beats" mode.

disable warp on the other.

put a utility plug on one of the tracks and flip the phase.

-silence- the files are identical.

.lm.

Cryptic UK · Post by **Cryptic UK** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:13 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:Think what you will, but warping using beats or repitch mode does not effect the sound untill the tempo is changed from the orig. or a warp marker is moved.

.lm.

Think what you will and death to the warp

Josh Von · Post by **Josh Von** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:19 pm

Cryptic UK wrote:
leisuremuffin wrote:Think what you will, but warping using beats or repitch mode does not effect the sound untill the tempo is changed from the orig. or a warp marker is moved.

.lm.
Think what you will and death to the warp

I also disagree with this and - although its highly dependent on the source material - warping even at original tempo can definitely alter the sound.

The algorithm is still operating on the sample even at original tempo.

The problem is that - in aggregate - when you have many samples running simulataneously in arrange grid - all of them warped, at original tempo - all these slight alterations in the source material add up.

I totally believe this is the main reason for the controversy about Live's audio quality in comparison with the competitors. The warping is on on these clips and people forget about this factor when they are judging the quality

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anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:21 pm

So let's see....my project temp0 is 134. I record a MIDI take of say 8 bars. Then, I record the audio by creating an audio track that is set to receive from my MIDI track(I know this isn't freeze, but this is my preferred workaround because I get more control). I turn monitoring off. Record the audio for 16 bars exactly, in case there are tails so that I can loop the second eight bars while starting on the first bar. (I even record a few extra bars for the end tail) Then I switch to re-pitch because I am still working at 134.

And guess what?!?!?! Even with the audio file "warped", there isn't any alteration of the sound. Why? Because it is in re-pitch, and the warp markers aren't doing jack. They are just there, but because the recording is exactly right, there isn't any warping occurring. The only time I would use warp is using samples other than my own, because if I change the tempo, I will go back and retake everything at the new tempo.

Josh Von · Post by **Josh Von** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:24 pm

anti-banausic wrote:it is in re-pitch, and the warp markers aren't doing jack.

Did we ever get a confirmation that repitch mode is turning the warping algorithms off? (not "the same as" ... but literally turning them off)

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How to disable Mr. Ugly Warp completely??

How to disable Mr. Ugly Warp completely??

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