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i would maybe buy the new mpd24 from akai, but it doesn't have 'normale' knobs, only endless rotary controls.
i haven't done it yet, but i doesn't seem handy to control for example eq or fx sends with endless rotary's when deejaying, having to look at the screen all the time 'n stuff.
anyone that can share some experience for this?

I think endless rotaries are the way to go, mate. That way, you don't have to worry about muting your controllers when changing banks. I have yet to read up on "Automap" - but I think that it is based around endless encoders to allow you to use one encoder accross many tracks.

I'm glad you brought this up, actually - I've been meaningto start a thread on Midi Takeover. I'm hoping it gets brought up here...

you indeed don't got the jumping parameters, but you don't have the real feel of turning the knob, witch is especially handy when deejaying. you have to look at the screen to know where you are/ how far you turned the knob/etc...

but maybe i'm making a to big fuzz
for studio, it's ok...

with the BCR2000, although u get endless capability, it also comes with LEDs to know visually where the values are

just bear in mind the BCR2000 doesn't power via USB due to all those lights! some people find this a pain

maksk wrote:but you don't have the real feel of turning the knob

Are you saying that endless knobs DON'T turn and turn and turn?

I always imagined that they turned all the way around, but did not hit a stop at hard left or hard right...

Patch wrote:

maksk wrote:but you don't have the real feel of turning the knob

Are you saying that endless knobs DON'T turn and turn and turn?

I always imagined that they turned all the way around, but did not hit a stop at hard left or hard right...

what i mean is that you have to look at the screen to know how far for example your eq-knob is open/closed, how far your send is open/closed. with a 'normal' knob you can know that by looking at the midicontroller with those knobs too.

I see...

Isn't that what the lights around the encoders are for? There are lights around the BCR encoders, and lights around the encoders on the new Kenton controllers...

Patch wrote:I see...

Isn't that what the lights around the encoders are for? There are lights around the BCR encoders, and lights around the encoders on the new Kenton controllers...

indeed, but unfortunally not on the akai MPD24, witch i'm maybe gonna buy

I think endless encoders feel kinda slow in a DJ context. Whipping a fader thru the whole range in one turn lends itself to a lot more expressive playing. I like relative controls for smooth things like BPM adjustment & clip properties, but I set my BCR to absolute mode for everything else.

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maksk wrote:i would maybe buy the new mpd24 from akai, but it doesn't have 'normale' knobs, only endless rotary controls.

you'll probably be better off with a padkontrol and a x-session.

Way to bring back a 2 year old thread but I think it's still relevant today.
I love my MPD32 but still miss the finite knobs on my old UC33e.

I'd be interested in hearing other peoples opinions on regular vs endless roatries in a live/DJ'ing context.

condra wrote:Way to bring back a 2 year old thread but I think it's still relevant today.
I love my MPD32 but still miss the finite knobs on my old UC33e.

I'd be interested in hearing other peoples opinions on regular vs endless roatries in a live/DJ'ing context.

+1

I'm gearing up for some gigs soon and i've been gathering as much info as i can before i get on stage and stumble through a set figuring out what suits me best.

I'm firmly on the 'real knobs' side of the fence. Don't like the lack of feedback and the indented 'clicking' feel of encoders.

But then I have a simple set-up and never change program banks live.

be sure to check out your desired controller at a local store. i'm pissed of my BCR because its knobs are that fat, that you can hardly turn them all around at once.