POLL: Are you having servere LAGTIME using arrange view?
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:31 am
NOTE... UPDATE!!: There are now over 900 views and only 68 votes ....
PLEASE if you are reading this, and you DONT have a problem as described in this thread .. take an instant to click NO so if it turns out to be a few unlucky souls, abelton wont waste too much time fixing a problem that isnt yours.
This is an unscientific sample, but please just click YES or NO either way so we can get some indication of how many people this problem is affecting.
Thanks. Only takes a second. click. so easy ...
ALSO: if you are having this issue, please take the time to mail support@ableton.com directly with system specs:
Copy the following and paste your specs in if it makes it easier for you
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A Live version and how many versions have you had this problem
B System:
CPU Type
Chipset
OS
RAM
HDD
Video Card
Audio Card
C Project
CPU Load (avg while problem is apparent)
# of MIDI Tracks
# of Audio Tracks
Devices on or off?
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This so we can find some common denomintors to the problem. Is it a chipset? Is it a particular video card / driver combo? Is it mainly a PC or MAC problem? Or any combination of other issues?
This is what theyve asked us to do and i think this is the best the way to put pressure on them to address this ASAP. There are too many people complaining about too many things in these threads for them to read it all
again, thanks
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ISSUE
This is an issue has been brought up for a few years now by multiple features in multiple threads. For instance here:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... range+copy
.. where numerous people immediately recognized thier problem when it was described. Which is
There is a severe lag time performing any copy, paste, duplicate, move, or other changes to clips in the arrange grid.
Example:
Live Version:
5.02 ... however: its been the same and getting worse since Version 2! ie since i started using this program ...
System specs:
AMD 2600 XP
VIA chipset
Win XP SP2
1 GB RAM
7200 RPM HDD
RADEON 2600
M-Audio 24/96 PCI card
Project:
Approximately 20 MIDI tracks, 5 audio
Most MIDI VST's are off for this example. ie. the power button is off, all return FX are off, FX are on in the inserts because its not practical to turn them all off atm ... I have one drum VST running and an audio clip.
Operation:
CPU at 30%. CTRL-C to copy MIDI clip down the grid.
Audio continues but the screen freezes.
Lag time is anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds or more.
I'm averaging about 20 seconds. Per clip. Every single clip
NOTE: this is just for the copy. The corresponding paste takes another 20-30 seconds!
So this is up to and over 1 minute to copy and paste a single clip
This is for ANY size clip. Tiny one shot, 32 bar, Audio or MIDI: same.
Again ... any copy, duplicate, paste, move ... even CTRL-E to split the clip.
This means:
Routine use of the arrange grid for arranging and composing is for all intents and purposes unusable.
Some of us are long time loyal users that have been committed to using this sequencer for everything and we have tolerated this ... thinking that it could be our gear ... or that its something we have to live with until they will:
1 - acknowledge there is a problem and
2 - make it a priority to fix it
However its getting to the point where we cant work with it anymore. Its not practical. These operations are so basic and there are so many hundreds or thousands that need to be done for a project it isnt something that can be ignored.
If it takes you a full minute for every web page to load, and there are no indications that its your machine ... what do you do?
You get a new ISP. Why? Because using the internet is not practical anymore. You cant accomplish anything and the frustration is not worth it.
Ableton:
PLEASE - we all know it seems that there are endless bugs and feature requests and complaints, but we are hoping you understand that this is an app killer ..
You risk losing countless people to the competition and even long term loyal users by not addressing this openly and not giving any indication that it can and well be fixed.
I'm sending a modified copy of this to support@ableton.com.
AGAIN - Please dont be lazy and ignore this if you are having this issue! IF you expect it to be addressed there needs to be a large enough number of people that are taking the effort to pressure them
Thanks!!
PLEASE if you are reading this, and you DONT have a problem as described in this thread .. take an instant to click NO so if it turns out to be a few unlucky souls, abelton wont waste too much time fixing a problem that isnt yours.
This is an unscientific sample, but please just click YES or NO either way so we can get some indication of how many people this problem is affecting.
Thanks. Only takes a second. click. so easy ...
ALSO: if you are having this issue, please take the time to mail support@ableton.com directly with system specs:
Copy the following and paste your specs in if it makes it easier for you
---
A Live version and how many versions have you had this problem
B System:
CPU Type
Chipset
OS
RAM
HDD
Video Card
Audio Card
C Project
CPU Load (avg while problem is apparent)
# of MIDI Tracks
# of Audio Tracks
Devices on or off?
---
This so we can find some common denomintors to the problem. Is it a chipset? Is it a particular video card / driver combo? Is it mainly a PC or MAC problem? Or any combination of other issues?
This is what theyve asked us to do and i think this is the best the way to put pressure on them to address this ASAP. There are too many people complaining about too many things in these threads for them to read it all
again, thanks
--
ISSUE
This is an issue has been brought up for a few years now by multiple features in multiple threads. For instance here:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... range+copy
.. where numerous people immediately recognized thier problem when it was described. Which is
There is a severe lag time performing any copy, paste, duplicate, move, or other changes to clips in the arrange grid.
Example:
Live Version:
5.02 ... however: its been the same and getting worse since Version 2! ie since i started using this program ...
System specs:
AMD 2600 XP
VIA chipset
Win XP SP2
1 GB RAM
7200 RPM HDD
RADEON 2600
M-Audio 24/96 PCI card
Project:
Approximately 20 MIDI tracks, 5 audio
Most MIDI VST's are off for this example. ie. the power button is off, all return FX are off, FX are on in the inserts because its not practical to turn them all off atm ... I have one drum VST running and an audio clip.
Operation:
CPU at 30%. CTRL-C to copy MIDI clip down the grid.
Audio continues but the screen freezes.
Lag time is anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds or more.
I'm averaging about 20 seconds. Per clip. Every single clip
NOTE: this is just for the copy. The corresponding paste takes another 20-30 seconds!
So this is up to and over 1 minute to copy and paste a single clip
This is for ANY size clip. Tiny one shot, 32 bar, Audio or MIDI: same.
Again ... any copy, duplicate, paste, move ... even CTRL-E to split the clip.
This means:
Routine use of the arrange grid for arranging and composing is for all intents and purposes unusable.
Some of us are long time loyal users that have been committed to using this sequencer for everything and we have tolerated this ... thinking that it could be our gear ... or that its something we have to live with until they will:
1 - acknowledge there is a problem and
2 - make it a priority to fix it
However its getting to the point where we cant work with it anymore. Its not practical. These operations are so basic and there are so many hundreds or thousands that need to be done for a project it isnt something that can be ignored.
If it takes you a full minute for every web page to load, and there are no indications that its your machine ... what do you do?
You get a new ISP. Why? Because using the internet is not practical anymore. You cant accomplish anything and the frustration is not worth it.
Ableton:
PLEASE - we all know it seems that there are endless bugs and feature requests and complaints, but we are hoping you understand that this is an app killer ..
You risk losing countless people to the competition and even long term loyal users by not addressing this openly and not giving any indication that it can and well be fixed.
I'm sending a modified copy of this to support@ableton.com.
AGAIN - Please dont be lazy and ignore this if you are having this issue! IF you expect it to be addressed there needs to be a large enough number of people that are taking the effort to pressure them
Thanks!!