midi "select on launch", live looping
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:03 pm
It is a great step forward that "select on launch" via midi/key was re-introduced into Live 5.0.2b6. However, the implementation is somehow different than Live 3. Live 3's select on launch ALWAYS selects a clip that you launch into recording, regardless of whether you use mouse or midi/key, regardless of where you last clicked. The advantage of this to me is that since the clip is selected, you can delete it if necessary--this is a crucial part of trying to do live looping with Live (though bomes and midi ox are still needed to delete with a foot pedal). For whatever reason, the re-implemented "select on launch" via midi/key in 5.0.2b6 is not the same. If you launch recording of a new clip with midi/key, the clip is only truly "selected" and thus instantly deletable when you have clicked on the clip grid with the mouse immediately prior to launching the recording of the clip (or you can get to the clip grid with alt-arrows). If you have clicked with the mouse ANYWHERE other than on a slot in the clip grid, the new clip that you launched into recording via midi/key will NOT be selected, not be deletable. This is different than 3, and not useful for live looping. For example, if you used the mouse to drop in a new effect or change an effect parameter, then launched a new clip to record with a foot pedal, there is no reasonable way to delete the clip you are recording without the mouse.
I am definitely happy that Ableton has addressed the loss of midi "select on launch" since version 3 by bringing it back (to a degree) in the 5.0.2 betas, and now 5.0.2. However, to be truly useful in all live looping situations, it needs to ALWAYS happen, just like version 3. It shouldn't matter which part of the interface is "highlighted" (clip grid, clip/effects view, etc.)--launching a clip via midi should select it on launch regardless, thus allowing hands-free deletion of flubbed clips on-the-fly. As it is now in 5.0.2, this only works if prior to launching the clip, the clip grid portion of the session view is "highlighted" with the box around it. If not, trying to delete the flubbed clip in the middle of recording it using a "delete" keystroke (and using Bomes/midi ox or controlaid to map a midi foot pedal to "delete" for hands free looping) does not work.
Live 3 is the best looper in the world imho. Live 5, with all of the added effects and features (like resizable session tracks) would obviously top 3, all that is missing is true midi "Select on launch", 100% of the time, no if, ands, or butts. To make Live 5 the world’s best looper, and tap into a whole new market, Ableton should:
1. Make midi "select on launch" work 100% of the time, just like version 3. This will allow live loopers to always be able to delete clips on the fly, regardless or workflow or their last mouse/midi controller move. As some people don't want this feature for the way their sets work (especially non-live-loopers), this should/could be an option in the prefs menu.
2. Give us a midi mappable "delete" button, which might be hidden until midi map is turned on. Then a little "delete" button could appear, and you could map a midi note on/off or midi cc to the button. Whenever this midi pedal/button is pressed, it will delete the currently selected clip, just like hitting the "delete" key on the keyboard. This would let us avoid having to use Bomes/ox on pc, and controlaid on mac to be able to delete flubbed clips on the fly.
These two minor features are preventing Live 5 from being the end-all be-all best looping device on the planet. Without feature 1 above, Live 5 is only really a looper for perfect people who never make mistakes, and makes Live 5 lack one of the 3 basic features of all hardware looping pedals--undo/delete. I sure hope Ableton continues to pursue the re-implementation of true, 100% of the time, midi "select on launch", like version 3. If they can make 5 behave like 3 in this regard, (or at least make it happen in Live 6), it will have no rival in the live looping world. It is soooo close. Pretty please,
Ryan
P.S. sorry for the novella, but it seems there was maybe some confusion of why this feature is needed, or how it should be (re) implemented, I just want to try and fully explain the need for it for live looping with Live.
I am definitely happy that Ableton has addressed the loss of midi "select on launch" since version 3 by bringing it back (to a degree) in the 5.0.2 betas, and now 5.0.2. However, to be truly useful in all live looping situations, it needs to ALWAYS happen, just like version 3. It shouldn't matter which part of the interface is "highlighted" (clip grid, clip/effects view, etc.)--launching a clip via midi should select it on launch regardless, thus allowing hands-free deletion of flubbed clips on-the-fly. As it is now in 5.0.2, this only works if prior to launching the clip, the clip grid portion of the session view is "highlighted" with the box around it. If not, trying to delete the flubbed clip in the middle of recording it using a "delete" keystroke (and using Bomes/midi ox or controlaid to map a midi foot pedal to "delete" for hands free looping) does not work.
Live 3 is the best looper in the world imho. Live 5, with all of the added effects and features (like resizable session tracks) would obviously top 3, all that is missing is true midi "Select on launch", 100% of the time, no if, ands, or butts. To make Live 5 the world’s best looper, and tap into a whole new market, Ableton should:
1. Make midi "select on launch" work 100% of the time, just like version 3. This will allow live loopers to always be able to delete clips on the fly, regardless or workflow or their last mouse/midi controller move. As some people don't want this feature for the way their sets work (especially non-live-loopers), this should/could be an option in the prefs menu.
2. Give us a midi mappable "delete" button, which might be hidden until midi map is turned on. Then a little "delete" button could appear, and you could map a midi note on/off or midi cc to the button. Whenever this midi pedal/button is pressed, it will delete the currently selected clip, just like hitting the "delete" key on the keyboard. This would let us avoid having to use Bomes/ox on pc, and controlaid on mac to be able to delete flubbed clips on the fly.
These two minor features are preventing Live 5 from being the end-all be-all best looping device on the planet. Without feature 1 above, Live 5 is only really a looper for perfect people who never make mistakes, and makes Live 5 lack one of the 3 basic features of all hardware looping pedals--undo/delete. I sure hope Ableton continues to pursue the re-implementation of true, 100% of the time, midi "select on launch", like version 3. If they can make 5 behave like 3 in this regard, (or at least make it happen in Live 6), it will have no rival in the live looping world. It is soooo close. Pretty please,
Ryan
P.S. sorry for the novella, but it seems there was maybe some confusion of why this feature is needed, or how it should be (re) implemented, I just want to try and fully explain the need for it for live looping with Live.