Sync to EXT + Complex Warp mode = grotty sound
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:49 pm
Hi Magnificent Ableton Team,
Something I have noticed.
I LOVE the improvements offered by Complex Warp mode however I've noticed a signficant difference in sound quality when Live is clocked internal compared with if it is slaved to EXT MIDI clock.
Live's Complex Warp mode sounds horrible and warbly when it is slaved via MIDI Clock to external MIDI sources.
Naturally I understand if the clock source Live is slaved to is poor at counting time itself (e.g. Alesis SR16 !!!) however I'm using an Electribe ER1mk2 as my clock source which is generally rock solid.
I've also tried slaving Live to a Roland R8 (which is reknowned for its internal clock source) and still observe noticeable bad sound quality for Complex warp mode.
When I A/B compare Live Slaved to MIDI Clock compared to its own internal clock (set to the same tempo as the external hardware module) this is immediately obvious.
Is this a technical limitation or something which can be resolved ?
Would I be correct in assuming there needs to be some sort of adaptive Clock smoothing when Live is slaving to external MIDI Clock ?
Naturally I understand the workaround - don't slave to external MIDI clock however my Live performance method (multiple sequencer devices slaved to a single hardware clock source) demands Live performs well when MIDI clocked to external hardware. In fact this is the primary reason I use Live in preference to Nuendo 3 for live performance work - Nuendo 3 doesn't allow itself to be clocked to anything but MTC.
cheers !
Something I have noticed.
I LOVE the improvements offered by Complex Warp mode however I've noticed a signficant difference in sound quality when Live is clocked internal compared with if it is slaved to EXT MIDI clock.
Live's Complex Warp mode sounds horrible and warbly when it is slaved via MIDI Clock to external MIDI sources.
Naturally I understand if the clock source Live is slaved to is poor at counting time itself (e.g. Alesis SR16 !!!) however I'm using an Electribe ER1mk2 as my clock source which is generally rock solid.
I've also tried slaving Live to a Roland R8 (which is reknowned for its internal clock source) and still observe noticeable bad sound quality for Complex warp mode.
When I A/B compare Live Slaved to MIDI Clock compared to its own internal clock (set to the same tempo as the external hardware module) this is immediately obvious.
Is this a technical limitation or something which can be resolved ?
Would I be correct in assuming there needs to be some sort of adaptive Clock smoothing when Live is slaving to external MIDI Clock ?
Naturally I understand the workaround - don't slave to external MIDI clock however my Live performance method (multiple sequencer devices slaved to a single hardware clock source) demands Live performs well when MIDI clocked to external hardware. In fact this is the primary reason I use Live in preference to Nuendo 3 for live performance work - Nuendo 3 doesn't allow itself to be clocked to anything but MTC.
cheers !