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Save our wrists!!!

yes!!

Click twice, then up and down keys does the job already.

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serotoninsteve wrote:Click twice, then up and down keys does the job already.

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yes ... BUT if you adjust anything (say track volume due to output differences in the preset) you are forced to click again

yes!! If you play live at all, the clicking and up down arrows are not immediate enough, especially if you are trying to play a vsti with you hands and want to quickly switch patches without mousing around to the right track, right instrument, and to the preset bar, clicking twice and so forth--that is way too much hassle. It would be so awesome to have the ability to scroll through effect and instrument presets with a midi knob, or to use midi buttons to instantly select patches and presets. It would be so much fun to be able to instantly switch effect patches on resonator, chorus, etc. to do some serious sound mangling. I think this is one major shortcoming of effect implementation in Live--we're using software, not hardware guitar pedals--the ability to have presets and to instanly recall them is one of the HUGE adavantages of software effects, it would be great for live use of Live to be able to have midi assignments to jump to different instrument and effects patches/presets.

Ryan

The feature you requested and wich at least was there for fast jumping through the presets using the arrow keys is worser than ever now in L5beta.

Now you have always to doubleclick or push enter to select the preset in the browser.

2 buttons for up and down as you mentioned and a small display for the name of the preset inside the fx would be very handy.

Well there is the problem that all the fx and grouped fx presets are stored in the same folder, but for simple fx presets this a need and perhaps doable.

What do you think?

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While I appreciate the new browser scene in 5, I feel like it is one of many serious changes that are REALLY hurting Live as a performance based program. The name is "Live", its origins are from performing electronic artists frustrated with the software that was availible, and coming up with a whole new way of using musical software, with the number 1 rule that it be solid and reliable for live performance usage. Up til version 3, everything was tailored to quickness and ease so that one can perform live without a bunch of clicking and menus and sub-menus. Some changes in 4 and certainly MANY in 5 make doing things more circuitous and requiring more time and steps. The preset issue in 5 being a major one. Don't most of us have the effect/instrument window up at the bottom of session view when tweaking effects or changing patches--sure. I know a lot of us live performers don't even have the browser showing to save room for tracks and sends on the screen, or if the browser is up, it is very narrow. The obvious and easy way to change presets is like version 3--you already have the effect showing at the bottom, you just click the patch name and choose a new one. Simple midi/key control of this would've been awesome, but now, like many other handy/quick "live" Live features, the presets are now more cumbersome and involve more steps, and still no midi control. I appreciate a lot of the new features and appealing to a broader DAW audience, but C'mon Ableton, please don't lose sight of your original intentions, which seem to be getting left behind for DAW and DJ features.

Ryan